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That's why it's not good to have a new virus going around in among us. That's why the whole response should have been - isolate and eliminate the virus. Not, "

That's why it's not good to have a new virus going around in among us. That's why the whole response should have been - isolate and eliminate the virus. Not, "hey, lets live with this guy until we can make a vaccine that works"...

ulfw 6y ago
The Asian vs. the Euro-American model.
- libertine 6y ago
  But that's the odd thing, isn't the procedure of the "asian model", which was used in NZ, on the "text manuals" of dealing with viruses? Specially after a first wave, we know how the virus behaved, how we behaved with the virus, and what cost it had (not only deaths, but the stress on health systems that gradually lose the ability to cope with infections, and evolve to the colapse of general health services, other than covid-19). Basically, the virus infection fatality rate might not be as high as we thought, but it ends up collapsing health services, so more deaths direct and indirect are accounted for. They were hammering us to live in the new normal, what kind of message is that for a population living in a pandemic?
- adventured 6y ago
  Where has the virus been eliminated successfully in Asia by that model? New Zealand may be the only real success story, and it's a very tiny population island. India has seen a likely tens of millions of cases. Bangladesh, Indonesia and the Philippines have all seen bad outbreaks now. Nepal is currently being buried in cases. Case numbers are booming in Malaysia at present. Japan has never managed to eliminate it and continues to see persistent cases, despite their relative success. The same with Singapore. Did you mean to say that a few countries in Asia have managed to limit the virus, while the rest of Asia has entirely failed at doing so?
  - libertine 6y ago
    The example cases from Asia are: Vietnam, Taiwan, China, Thailand.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  There's a spike in Xinjiang, right now (but a blip by Western standards). It's _really_ hard to eliminate it. New Zealand is still seeing the odd case here and there.
  - libertine 6y ago
    But that could be related to international travelling, or simply community transmission of asymptomatic cases, and China protocol might be to test everyone from that city and apply localized quarantines. I doubt they will let it go much further than Xinjiang.

ulfw 6y ago

The Asian vs. the Euro-American model.

libertine 6y ago
But that's the odd thing, isn't the procedure of the "asian model", which was used in NZ, on the "text manuals" of dealing with viruses? Specially after a first wave, we know how the virus behaved, how we behaved with the virus, and what cost it had (not only deaths, but the stress on health systems that gradually lose the ability to cope with infections, and evolve to the colapse of general health services, other than covid-19). Basically, the virus infection fatality rate might not be as high as we thought, but it ends up collapsing health services, so more deaths direct and indirect are accounted for. They were hammering us to live in the new normal, what kind of message is that for a population living in a pandemic?
adventured 6y ago
Where has the virus been eliminated successfully in Asia by that model? New Zealand may be the only real success story, and it's a very tiny population island. India has seen a likely tens of millions of cases. Bangladesh, Indonesia and the Philippines have all seen bad outbreaks now. Nepal is currently being buried in cases. Case numbers are booming in Malaysia at present. Japan has never managed to eliminate it and continues to see persistent cases, despite their relative success. The same with Singapore. Did you mean to say that a few countries in Asia have managed to limit the virus, while the rest of Asia has entirely failed at doing so?
- libertine 6y ago
  The example cases from Asia are: Vietnam, Taiwan, China, Thailand.
dehrmann 6y ago
There's a spike in Xinjiang, right now (but a blip by Western standards). It's _really_ hard to eliminate it. New Zealand is still seeing the odd case here and there.
- libertine 6y ago
  But that could be related to international travelling, or simply community transmission of asymptomatic cases, and China protocol might be to test everyone from that city and apply localized quarantines. I doubt they will let it go much further than Xinjiang.