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Google gives special preference to AMP sites in search, images and google news. Google is also removing non-AMP URLs from Google News. fucking everything is loa

by ffpip 6y ago

Google gives special preference to AMP sites in search, images and google news. Google is also removing non-AMP URLs from Google News. fucking everything is loaded from their servers nowadays

ec109685 6y ago
They removed the special preference: https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2020/05/evaluating-page-experience.html https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2020/05/evaluating-page-ex...
- ffpip 6y ago
  Yeah, but they got what they wanted. Every news site enabled AMP, and nobody will change it back now.
cute_boi 6y ago
ads is literally destroying internet and these ads company are milking so much profit and we cannot do anything otherthan using adblocker and firefox :(
- amelius 6y ago
  Yes, it seems that ads are at the root of many problems (e.g. user tracking, overconsumption). Perhaps this is what the senate should be addressing instead. However, currently ads are also a driving force behind the internet.
- Hokusai 6y ago
  That is a great point. We are creating an Internet-nightmare in a Red Queen's race. Advertise companies compete in price to get the best target audience increasing prices and lowering value. Users are bombarded with creepy ads that follow them around the internet and allow to all kind of abuses. Google/Facebook profit from both sides dictating the rules and create echo chambers that feet in hate and outrage to increase views. Quite a dystopia all to send ads to people, that were already receiving them anyway.
gravypod 6y ago
Amp, for whatever you might feel about it, is the best content loading experience for people with poor internet. Launch up an AVD and set it to use a 3g roaming profile and try and load up NY Times AMP and non-AMP. I'm not a fan of the implementation personally but something like this needs to exist for developing markets. I didn't know how bad this was until I started working with someone in Brazil and saw he has 2Mbps internet. His internet is faster than some in China and india.
- BiteCode_dev 6y ago
  Wouldn't the invisible hand of the market solve this? If your site is slow, either the share of good customers plummet and you fix it, and customers you don't want leave and you are happy.
  - dynamite-ready 6y ago
    The parent post still makes a fair point. I can't understand why they were down voted, tbh. I more agree with your reply (custom optimisation and consumer choice), but some W3C standard to encourage the creation of highly optimised pages, perhaps an extension to web workers, might be a good idea. As for the problem of the existence of AMP, I don't know how you change that. It might actually be 'to big to fall's now, unfortunately.
  - izacus 6y ago
    AMP is the "invisible" hand of the market solving this - a private company taking up an initiative to make internet usable for people who aren't MacBook 5G toting Sillicon Valley hipsters. It's also a perfect example why "invisible hand of market" can be an absolutely terrible and abusive way of trying to fix infrastructure for people who aren't privileged rich people.
- throwaway189262 6y ago
  All Google has to do is de-rank slow sites and everything would be fast within weeks. But they won't. Because ad tech is most of what's making sites slow. They would end up de-ranking sites using lots of Google advertising. Speed is just a shitty excuse to force AMP on everyone. There's countless other levers they could pull if they actually cared about performance

by ffpip 6y ago

Google gives special preference to AMP sites in search, images and google news. Google is also removing non-AMP URLs from Google News. fucking everything is loaded from their servers nowadays

ec109685 6y ago

They removed the special preference: https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2020/05/evaluating-page-experience.html https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2020/05/evaluating-page-ex...

ffpip 6y ago
Yeah, but they got what they wanted. Every news site enabled AMP, and nobody will change it back now.

cute_boi 6y ago

ads is literally destroying internet and these ads company are milking so much profit and we cannot do anything otherthan using adblocker and firefox :(

amelius 6y ago
Yes, it seems that ads are at the root of many problems (e.g. user tracking, overconsumption). Perhaps this is what the senate should be addressing instead. However, currently ads are also a driving force behind the internet.
Hokusai 6y ago
That is a great point. We are creating an Internet-nightmare in a Red Queen's race. Advertise companies compete in price to get the best target audience increasing prices and lowering value. Users are bombarded with creepy ads that follow them around the internet and allow to all kind of abuses. Google/Facebook profit from both sides dictating the rules and create echo chambers that feet in hate and outrage to increase views. Quite a dystopia all to send ads to people, that were already receiving them anyway.

gravypod 6y ago

Amp, for whatever you might feel about it, is the best content loading experience for people with poor internet. Launch up an AVD and set it to use a 3g roaming profile and try and load up NY Times AMP and non-AMP. I'm not a fan of the implementation personally but something like this needs to exist for developing markets. I didn't know how bad this was until I started working with someone in Brazil and saw he has 2Mbps internet. His internet is faster than some in China and india.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago
Wouldn't the invisible hand of the market solve this? If your site is slow, either the share of good customers plummet and you fix it, and customers you don't want leave and you are happy.
- dynamite-ready 6y ago
  The parent post still makes a fair point. I can't understand why they were down voted, tbh. I more agree with your reply (custom optimisation and consumer choice), but some W3C standard to encourage the creation of highly optimised pages, perhaps an extension to web workers, might be a good idea. As for the problem of the existence of AMP, I don't know how you change that. It might actually be 'to big to fall's now, unfortunately.
- izacus 6y ago
  AMP is the "invisible" hand of the market solving this - a private company taking up an initiative to make internet usable for people who aren't MacBook 5G toting Sillicon Valley hipsters. It's also a perfect example why "invisible hand of market" can be an absolutely terrible and abusive way of trying to fix infrastructure for people who aren't privileged rich people.
throwaway189262 6y ago
All Google has to do is de-rank slow sites and everything would be fast within weeks. But they won't. Because ad tech is most of what's making sites slow. They would end up de-ranking sites using lots of Google advertising. Speed is just a shitty excuse to force AMP on everyone. There's countless other levers they could pull if they actually cared about performance