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I'm sure it has nothing to do with stolen / looted Egyptian artifacts residing in museums around the world.
by waheoo 6y ago
I'm sure it has nothing to do with stolen / looted Egyptian artifacts residing in museums around the world.
- SirHound 6y agoIt’s bread
- blix 6y ago> Blackley fantasizes about one day selling ancient Egyptian bread commercially. I'm so glad he's taking a stand against cultural appropriation!
- Alex3917 6y agoSelling it commercially would be pretty much the exact opposite of cultural appropriation. Cultural appropriation would be “posting a shitty, burned, flat loaf saying, ‘Welp I guess this is what the ancient Egyptians had to deal with!’”
- blix 6y agoI don't know what definition of cultural appropriation you are using where using someone else's culture for profit doesn't count.
- planetsmashr 6y agoSomeone better tell the Koreans who run the sushi restaurant down the street.
- prox 6y agoAppropriate : “to make your own” adpropriare "to make one's own," from Latin ad "to" (see ad-) + propriare "take as one's own," It means that I take something from culture X and pretend that it is from my culture, and/or in some cases twist it so that it makes my culture seem more superior.
- kortilla 6y ago> It means that I take something from culture X and pretend that it is from my culture That’s literally how new things came to be in every larger culture. Sushi didn’t magically come into existence across all of Japan simultaneously. Rice techniques were continually improved upon and exchanged throughout the hundreds of cultures across Asia.
- chmod775 6y ago> Sushi didn’t magically come into existence across all of Japan simultaneously. Welp. It didn't even originate in Japan specifically. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sushi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sushi
- prox 6y agoExactly my point. Most things gradually get incorporated into a larger culture, like yoga. If I take yoga, and call it something else without actually changing the fundamentals and say it is superior, that’s appropriation.
- lol139189 6y agothis is some grade-a motte-and-bailey shit
- kortilla 6y agoNope, it’s called appropriation even if you credit the original culture and keep the same name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation A restaurant was protested for cultural appropriation because the owner was white and it was serving Sonoran recipes under the original name. It was just the fact that a white person was profiting off of that particular subculture that made it appropriation.
- NoOneNew 6y agoSo... you literally just described "progress" throughout all of human history. The Greeks and Roman are a good example of that. The entire back and forth history of the Silk Road (the real one). Even the Crusades had cultural dumps back and forth. Um, Japan is also considered the modern day "Rome" when it comes to taking other inventions and improving on it beyond their creator's imaginations. Like, are we going to yell cultural appropriation against the Japanese for building the Mitsubishi Zero (I don't know enough about sushi to talk about it beyond the california roll being a fucking abomination)? They didn't invent the airplane, but I dare you to find a history nut who isn't going to talk kindly about the engineering and general marvel that plane was for its time, along with how it forced the USA to adapt their learning and counter maneuvers to combat it. It was a super important plane to both military and aviation history, even though it's technically a piece of cultural appropriation. Ever think the whole thing is just making a mountain out of a mole hill since it's never the "offended culture" that's ever offended, but some random person in San Fran or Los Angeles without a real job?
- narag 6y agosomeone else's culture Ouch.
- Alex3917 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation Cultural appropriation doesn't mean appropriating things from another culture. It's an actual term with a specific meaning. It means specifically misrepresenting a cultural practice in order to make another culture look inferior. E.g. if you take something that isn't actually anything like what the Egyptians ate and tell everyone how terrible it is, then that would be cultural appropriation. Making bread the way the Egyptians made it would not be cultural appropriation, nor would selling it.
- emiliobumachar 6y agoThe link you posted opens with "Cultural appropriation is the adoption of an element or elements of one culture or identity by members of another culture or identity." I read the top summary and the overview section, and it still looks to me that yes, it does mean appropriating things from another culture. Any subtlety I'm missing? Would you take a shot at summarizing the definition you hold?
- schrijver 6y agoThe term has a broader meaning than you make it seem. According to the link you posted yourself, cultural appropriation appears “[when] cultural elements are copied from a minority culture by members of a dominant culture [and] these elements are used outside of their original cultural context”. In most cases, those appropriating other cultures actually love whatever they appropriate. That’s why they copied it in the first place. A lot of the flack for cultural appropriation comes not from that it ridicules other cultures, but rather that the artists/entrepreneurs/etc with visibility tend to be those from the dominant culture. They can profit from the ‘cool’ factor of appropriating other cultures, whereas for those from minorities that are being appropriated it is hard to find a spotlight. Of course the kind of cultural appropriation that you describe also exists, i.e. wearing a native american headdress to a party or something like this. But that would be a subset and is not the generally used definition.
- Alex3917 6y agoI guess to me using something outside of its original context is just a subset of misrepresentation, in the sense that the value of the practice in question isn't being accurately portrayed.
- noja 6y agoPretty much all of the rest of the world (look outside America) does not follow this "cultural appropriation" idea.
- derbOac 6y agohttps://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/food-safety-and-quality/certification/quality-labels/quality-schemes-explained_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/food-safety...
- FeepingCreature 6y agoThis is not about cultural but brand appropriation.
- peteretep 6y agoI had a “Hawaiian” pizza the other day from a Thai manufacturer which used thousand island sauce and was advertised as having “Korean Fried Chicken” making up the crust. This idea of cultural appropriation of food is very American-centric.
- GuardianCaveman 6y agoModern Egyptians have almost no dna connection to ancient Egyptians. They are descendants of migrants and invaders. They are also poor custodians of their own treasures. The Malawi museum was looted and wiped out in 2013 in Egypt. When I visited in 2016 I had people offering to take me to climb or explore the pyramids by bribing the guards. https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dna-genome-heritage/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dn...
- PrinceKropotkin 6y agoWho said anything about DNA? Regardless, it's heinous to justify a crime like this. It also leaves an extremely bitter taste to come across a museum in Europe with artifacts stolen during some more blatantly colonial period that they forgot to return.
- throwawasdf 6y agoThere's nothing to return. Europeans are doing a service to humanity by preserving the history of our collective past. Look at what happened with the artefacts that were left behind: destruction at the hands of invaders, sometimes sponsored by the polity of the time. Look at what ISIS did to the pre-Islamic artefacts present in the territory they controlled. Look what Saddam Hussein did (even with somewhat good intentions) by trying to "modernize" the remains of the Ishtar Gate for the consumption of the local people, while ignoring pleas from archæologists to let them thoroughly review the sites beforehand. I, for one, am thankful that I can go to the Louvre and learn about our shared ancient history, rather than these artefacts ending up as a paper weight in some oligarch's office, as would have been bound to happen otherwise.
- DrAwdeOccarim 6y agoI had this same discussions with a group of New Zealand'ers a few weeks ago on reddit. I was so surprised that the vocal commenters thought it best to return all artifacts to their rightful owners. I tried to point out that one person's rightful owner is another's despot, and what about all the examples of things being destroyed at the hands of poor stewardship? The main retort was "New Zealand is not some backwater country" which of course I agree but where do you draw the line? That's when I backed away slowly realizing the frothing mob was not interested in preserving shared history as much as revenge/retribution for colonial slights.
- Knufen 6y agoGod forbid we share bread between countries
- ummonk 6y agoAnd yeast culture.