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Perhaps. I've heard that Reddit engineers still push features to production without PMs in the loop.
by hitekker 6y ago
Perhaps. I've heard that Reddit engineers still push features to production without PMs in the loop.
- ryanSrich 6y agoThat sounds awesome TBH. I hate Reddit, and think it's Orwellian, but smart engineers shouldn't have to slow down to appease PMs.
- silentsea90 6y agoCan imagine PMs at a product focused HN like forum complaining about the opposite aka engineers spending time at the wrong places
- ryanSrich 6y agoI've managed enough PMs to know that's 100% true. It happens at work, in the open.
- _ah 6y agoA good PM saves work for the team by shifting work away from from valueless investments. If a team is "slowing down to appease a PM" then that PM is worthless.
- ryanSrich 6y ago> A good PM saves work for the team by shifting work away from from valueless investments. Knowing what’s valuable and what’s not is a function of being an employee. Designers and engineers should know where value exists. If they need a PM to shift them away from valueless work, then I highly question their efficacy as an engineer. I also highly question that organization’s management structure and communication.
- bluedevilzn 6y agoI have worked at Google and Amazon. I never required PMs to be in the loop for a feature launch at either of the two. Having said that, both Google and Amazon has excellent PMs and there are teams that require PMs to be in the loop for a feature launch but it is not universal.
- jedberg 6y agoSo do Netflix engineers. That says good culture to me.
- kortilla 6y agoSays the ex-Reddit employee :)