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>That problem will solve itself then. At a considerable cost. There's a large number of people for whom the vaccine won't work when it has been taken correctly
by harry8 6y ago
>That problem will solve itself then.
At a considerable cost. There's a large number of people for whom the vaccine won't work when it has been taken correctly or who cannot take the vaccine because it will react very badly with their chemotherapy or whatever.
This "let Darwin deal with the anti-vaxers" solution, though initially attractive, ends up being sociopathic when you dig into it.
- fastball 6y agoAnd the alternative is...?
- res0nat0r 6y agoMandate it, just like the US does currently for child immunizations.
- dragonwriter 6y agoThe US, as a union or the states individually, generally does not mandate child immunizations. Many states make them (usually with fairly broad exemptions, often including belief-based) requirements for public schools, though.
- res0nat0r 6y agoThey should mandate it across the board with only exceptions based in medical science.
- neuronic 6y agoGerman Democratic Republic did this, with a resulting 99% vaccination rate.
- fastball 6y agoNo thanks? Bodily autonomy is arguably the most important human right.
- aaron_m04 6y agoAre you okay with people defecating in public? Just curious.
- fastball 6y agoNo, but neither is that an issue of bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is about being in control of what happens to your body — it does not mean you have carte blanche to do whatever you want with your body.
- tempestn 6y agoSo, logically the solution is not to mandate the vaccine, but to restrict what unvaccinated people can do, where necessary to protect others. For example, if not vaccinated, you should continue to wear a mask while indoors in public (as long as local virus cases are above a given threshold), as well as avoiding large gatherings.
- aaron_m04 6y agoYeah, this is what I was getting at. It's not about bodily autonomy if it affects other bodies too.
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- aaron_m04 6y agoThe alternative is to make vaccination a precondition for a lot of government services, particularly public education. Also there needs to be a heavy advertising campaign advocating for vaccination.
- colordrops 6y agoWhat percentage of the population needs to be vulnerable for the entire population to be forcibly inconvenienced for their needs? When is it the responsibility of the vulnerable to protect themselves vs forcing society at large to protect the vulnerable? Certainly there is some threshold, considering that we didn't shut down society in the past for the tiny percentage of bubbleboys with no immune system. To call people sociopathic is to close your mind and not see the real gray areas. So to ask again, what percentage of society needs to be vulnerable in order for it to be ethical to coerce everyone to do something?
- vinay427 6y ago> Certainly there is some threshold, considering that we didn't shut down society in the past for the tiny percentage of bubbleboys with no immune system. Well, thankfully we haven't done this today either. This virus appears to affect more than just those that die from it, and that group of victims already includes more than a "tiny percentage of bubbleboys."
- tempestn 6y agoThe virus kills on the order of 1% of people who contract it, and can cause serious illness or death even for healthy people, so anyone who is able to get the vaccine should get the vaccine. It's not like you're being asked to give up an organ or something; you're being asked to protect yourself, and protect those unfortunate enough not to be able to get the vaccine themselves as well. Rather than quibbling over percentages, why not ask yourself what ethical foundation a healthy person could have to not get the vaccine once it's been proven safe and effective.
- jacquesm 6y agoI'm not saying it is attractive. Just that that will be the consequence, it is not sociopathic on my end, it is on theirs. By not taking the vaccine they are also risking the lives of others who do take it and for whom it isn't effective or who can't take it.
- rusk 6y agoSociopathic is saying “leave it to individual responsibility”