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Not happening, recent polls suggest that in Germany, 55% percent of the population is willing to get the vaccine. That isn't enough for herd immunity (at aroun
by neuronic 6y ago
Not happening, recent polls suggest that in Germany, 55% percent of the population is willing to get the vaccine.
That isn't enough for herd immunity (at around 60%) and real vaccination rate will be even lower.
There is also no chance in hell that Germans will allow a government-mandated vaccine. It's unconstitutional and there is heavy opposition to government-mandated anything throughout all of society.
So we will be stuck with this virus. But you're free to get the vaccine yourself for your own protection.
- jacquesm 6y agoThat problem will solve itself then.
- LeCow 6y agoYou could make that argument without needing a vaccine.
- fastball 6y agoYes, everything is the same without context.
- FartyMcFarter 6y agoNo, that would be a different argument. If a vaccine does not exist, no one has the choice to get it, which is a very different situation.
- harry8 6y ago>That problem will solve itself then. At a considerable cost. There's a large number of people for whom the vaccine won't work when it has been taken correctly or who cannot take the vaccine because it will react very badly with their chemotherapy or whatever. This "let Darwin deal with the anti-vaxers" solution, though initially attractive, ends up being sociopathic when you dig into it.
- fastball 6y agoAnd the alternative is...?
- res0nat0r 6y agoMandate it, just like the US does currently for child immunizations.
- dragonwriter 6y agoThe US, as a union or the states individually, generally does not mandate child immunizations. Many states make them (usually with fairly broad exemptions, often including belief-based) requirements for public schools, though.
- res0nat0r 6y agoThey should mandate it across the board with only exceptions based in medical science.
- BjoernKW 6y agoWell, the rest will become immune the natural way fairly quickly: By contracting the virus. Once a vaccine is available and a large share of the population either has been vaccinated or has the opportunity to be vaccinated maintaining the current measures can't be justified anymore.
- rusk 6y agoNooooooo - how are people still saying this. There is little evidence at this stage that immunity can be gained in this way, for this particular virus.
- refurb 6y agoIf they get over the virus then they developed an immune response that won’t go away immediately. The question is how long does it last? Even if it lasts only 6 months, that’s still 6 months of protection.
- rusk 6y agoYes, and that is not what people think of when you say “immunity”
- refurb 6y agoReally? All immunity is limited in time. That’s why we give booster shots.
- BjoernKW 6y agoUnfortunately and with COVID-19 in particular, many aspects seem to have become a matter of all-or-nothing propositions: "The pandemic will only ever be over once the disease has been eliminated and there are no COVID19-related deaths or long-term effects anymore." "Either the vaccine works in 100 per cent of cases or it doesn't work at all." "It's either complete immunity for life or no immunity at all."
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- robocat 6y agoLeave it as a choice, but don’t allow unvaccinated people (without a medical excuse) to go anywhere public where there could be vulnerable people. No bars, no restaurants, no concerts or sporting events, no public transport, no airports, no religious gatherings, no hospitals, etcetera.
- giantDinosaur 6y agoThat's clearly no choice at all. It either is a choice or it is not, and restrictions that severe clearly indicate that no, it would not be a choice. You realise how transparent that is, right?
- JW_00000 6y agoIt seems likely that percentage will increase as more people are vaccinated and do not have adverse side effects, so people gain trust in the vaccine. The same is true for other vaccines. See for example [the figure on this page](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/qa-ola-rosling-gapminder https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/qa-ola-rosling-gapminder): in this survey, in Germany, 13% said they believe vaccines are not safe in general, but only 3% of babies are not getting the measles vaccination. So let's hope many of the people that currently are not planning to get the vaccine, will change their mind and actually do so in the end. I think good information campaigns in the media and testimonies of friends that have received the vaccine will do a lot to mitigate this problem.