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think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.
by forgotmypw17 6y ago
think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.
- coldtea 6y agoSo like Guantanamo, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and close to a century of Kissinger and his ilk, is added to one's karma if they buy US products?
- glial 6y agoThere's a reasonable argument to be made against the parent, but "what about" isn't it.
- coldtea 6y agoI find "whataboutism is not an argument" is a knee-jerk conditioned reaction against putting things in perspective. It's almost a Pavlovian thought-stopping response by now - "sure, we have faults but we know them already, can we now concentrate on treating the enemy as some unique evil again?".
- dragonwriter 6y agoNo, it's “uniqueness isn't the argument, stop beating that strawman”.
- free_rms 6y agoChina is uniquely fixated on here on HN, there's a thread every few days painting them as a unique threat.
- Supermancho 6y agoI would say that's all accurate and correctly characterized. Ofc, it's easy to paint something that's already a finished work.
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- CyberDildonics 6y agoWhat about all the other logical fallacies? I think we should address many other logical fallacies before having a conversation about whataboutism.
- Kbelicius 6y agoThat wasn't whataboutism. There isn't any arguments there also. It was simply pointing out that if this man's torture is being added to your karma if you buy anything chines then that would mean that buying anything US made would add all those mentioned things to your karma.
- vms20591 6y agoExactly. The problem is, the West gets a moral high ground and even if they get criticism for their actions, the highest repercussions they encounter is "a slap to the wrist".
- avmich 6y agoWest gets moral high ground not because it's blameless - it isn't - but because it's faults are smaller. It could be counterproductive to judge something on a boolean scale - "perfect" vs. "not perfect so perfectly bad". West is much more transparent than non-West, so we have better chance to differentiate good parts from bad parts. If we don't have such opportunity, and we consistently get burned with bad parts, we're forced to assume the whole non-Westness is bad. Here "West" and "non-West" is somewhat similar to "USA" and "China". If China would be more transparent, if West would see differences, and interactions between those differences, and could judge the parts by those interactions, the scope of blame can be refined. Similarly with more transparent West we can see evolution of society or its parts towards more or less cruelty towards each other and judge and act accordingly.
- wonnage 6y agoYou can only say this because you've been brainwashed into thinking all the atrocities committed before, say, 1950 don't count anymore. That was a different time! Racism is solved too. *edit, that should probably be 1975 because we pretend the Vietnam war never happened
- coldtea 6y agoPlus 4-5 government topplings, invasions, and occupations in the last 20 years. But that's "in the past" too.
- gremlinsinc 6y agoWould you consider forced sterilization of women, 'acceptable'? https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914465793/ice-a-whistleblower-and-forced-sterilization https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914465793/ice-a-whistleblower...
- chris11 6y agoThat should be a call to action to fight against America's abuses, not a reason to ignore other countries abuses.
- avmich 6y agoAnd it' not a single call, it's a prolonged process. There is progressive movement in USA which claims to focus on those societal deficiencies. There is a lot of work to change things, but also a lot of promise to improve them.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoYes, if you buy new U.S. products, all those things are on your karma.
- Hyolobrika 6y agoAs far as I know, enslaved citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan are not directly involved in making US goods.
- coldtea 6y agoYeah, I'll give you that.
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- tonetheman 6y agoI hate this type of comment. Just so black and white and uninformed. Bluntly there are not many things you can purchase that do not come from or have parts made in China. Food maybe? You could instead not purchase goods from companies (not countries) that actively support China in exploiting these people. (like apple) https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-forced-uighur-labor-iphone-factory-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-forced-uighur-labor-ip...
- forgotmypw17 6y agoI chose to instead be patient and look for free devices or buy secondhand.
- apta 6y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/ https://www.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/
- sircastor 6y agoThere is undoubtedly a strong connection between the Chinese government and business there, But you’re going to run into ethical quandaries in any country in the world if you’re attributing responsibility of government actions to the whole of the people. As an American, I am appalled at some of the things my government does. I don’t avoid things made in the US because of that.
- cameronh90 6y agoAs an American you have direct leverage over your government through democracy. Lacking that kind of leverage, economic leverage is really the best next thing isn't it?
- hannofcart 6y ago> But you’re going to run into ethical quandaries ... if you’re attributing responsibility of government actions to the whole of the people. This is true more so when the people didn't even elect this government.