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>The migration was super botched by the product team because of this. I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point

>The migration was super botched by the product team because of this. I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point. I can count on one hand the number of positive launches from that company that didn't involve buying another company or product. It's almost as if they're so good at playing politics and "the game" that people can't see the actual track record is shit.

ndesaulniers 6y ago
Assuming there's one Product Team at Google? ha!
adi2907 6y ago
Partially agree,,Google Colabs is outstanding, even though inspired by jupyter notebook. Taking over scientific community
- jcrawfordor 6y ago
  I dunno, I believe Microsoft's Azure Notebooks predates Colab and perhaps gave Google the kick to make it public, and Colab was a spinout of an internal tool with a rather rocky relationship with open source that has still been a pain point I run into using it for teaching ("what is the difference between Colab and Jupyter?" is a question without an especially clear answer). Also they stole the name from GE's old internal social network. That latter one, at least, was not entirely serious criticism. I'm not sure that even Colab is an unmitigated win for the company, it does definitely have "that AWS feeling" of an internal tool that was made a product without really retooling it for that purpose thoroughly. This has kind of become the norm in cloud platforms, though.
  - BostonEnginerd 6y ago
    Azure notebooks looks like it's being retired at the beginning of '21.
- spicyramen 6y ago
  Google Colab has a very very strong Engineering team. Part of Google Research they definetly changed the game when they offer a free product which 1) increased collaboration across ML research 2) offer everybody access to GPUs first K80 and now T4 which is great among researchers and students. Now many other notebooks products now want to be the Enterprise colab version
  - sfifs 6y ago
    Isn't colab going away and being replaced by AI Notebooks? At least that's what a GCP partner trainer was telling me...
    - spicyramen 6y ago
      Very good question. They target different audience, Google has many notebooks solutions: colab (free) colab enterprise (monthly) kaggle, ai platform notebooks and datalab. Colab is targeted to students/researchers which are just experimenting, as there is no guarantee that kernel will run more than 24hrs. The paid version removes this restriction. AI notebooks is targeted for enterprise data scientists (Jupyterlab) which require patches/VPC-SC/IAM integration, security, etc. Datalab is the very first version of the notebooks and that's going away. Kaggle is mainly for competitions. In the end Google will have only 2 Notebooks colab and AIP notebooks
matwood 6y ago
GPM was my first streaming music service. I subscribed when it was still $7.99. It didn’t get too many updates, but it worked fine for years. Then they started pushing me to YT Music, which IMO is garbage. I’m happy I realized where they were headed and switched to Apple Music awhile back.
01100011 6y ago
> I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point. They have a positive reputation? I've been a loyal Googler for about 20 years. Nexus, Pixel, Chromecasts, GMail, Fi, Android TV, Google Domains... I'm about done. It seems like every month they do something to make it more apparent that they're just an advertising company. Products fail to get maintained, they get upgrades that make them less useful, or they're outright cancelled. I'm planning on de-Googling a bit soon. I may stick with Android, although iPhones or FOSS options are tempting. I feel like I can't stomach supporting Google when they continue to make misstep after misstep.
- nl 6y ago
  I'm in a similar boat. I'm not planning on getting the new Pixel though (the Pixel 5 is badly conceived), and too many bad experiences with Samsung mean I'm considering moving to iPhone.
- pkulak 6y ago
  I'm the same way, except that photos is still amazing.
  - tupputuppu 6y ago
    The lock-in with Photos they've slowly moved in is phenomenal. The exporting of originals is always somehow difficult due to random bugs. Lately I've had to resort to Takeout with some relatives to migrate them to Dropbox where they're not locked in, and about 20% of the photos don't contain any exported metadata. It's ridiculous since Google Photos shows those same pictures clearly on the timeline, indicating it does know when they were take, it just excludes that information from the Takeout.
    - AnssiH 6y ago
      If you are in EU, you can make a request for not-included-in-Takeout data here: https://support.google.com/policies/contact/sar https://support.google.com/policies/contact/sar
  - 6y ago
TuringNYC 6y ago
I had the same error with contacts on Google Contacts disappearing repeatedly when I changed phones and tried to re-sync. Contact information is so important in business that once you lose it you dump the product forever. Google Contacts immediately stopped being my Master Copy, though I use it as a convenience. I really wish I could set my own permissions, it seemed like it had some multi-master bug.

ndesaulniers 6y ago

Assuming there's one Product Team at Google? ha!

adi2907 6y ago

Partially agree,,Google Colabs is outstanding, even though inspired by jupyter notebook. Taking over scientific community

jcrawfordor 6y ago
I dunno, I believe Microsoft's Azure Notebooks predates Colab and perhaps gave Google the kick to make it public, and Colab was a spinout of an internal tool with a rather rocky relationship with open source that has still been a pain point I run into using it for teaching ("what is the difference between Colab and Jupyter?" is a question without an especially clear answer). Also they stole the name from GE's old internal social network. That latter one, at least, was not entirely serious criticism. I'm not sure that even Colab is an unmitigated win for the company, it does definitely have "that AWS feeling" of an internal tool that was made a product without really retooling it for that purpose thoroughly. This has kind of become the norm in cloud platforms, though.
- BostonEnginerd 6y ago
  Azure notebooks looks like it's being retired at the beginning of '21.
spicyramen 6y ago
Google Colab has a very very strong Engineering team. Part of Google Research they definetly changed the game when they offer a free product which 1) increased collaboration across ML research 2) offer everybody access to GPUs first K80 and now T4 which is great among researchers and students. Now many other notebooks products now want to be the Enterprise colab version
- sfifs 6y ago
  Isn't colab going away and being replaced by AI Notebooks? At least that's what a GCP partner trainer was telling me...
  - spicyramen 6y ago
    Very good question. They target different audience, Google has many notebooks solutions: colab (free) colab enterprise (monthly) kaggle, ai platform notebooks and datalab. Colab is targeted to students/researchers which are just experimenting, as there is no guarantee that kernel will run more than 24hrs. The paid version removes this restriction. AI notebooks is targeted for enterprise data scientists (Jupyterlab) which require patches/VPC-SC/IAM integration, security, etc. Datalab is the very first version of the notebooks and that's going away. Kaggle is mainly for competitions. In the end Google will have only 2 Notebooks colab and AIP notebooks

matwood 6y ago

GPM was my first streaming music service. I subscribed when it was still $7.99. It didn’t get too many updates, but it worked fine for years. Then they started pushing me to YT Music, which IMO is garbage. I’m happy I realized where they were headed and switched to Apple Music awhile back.

01100011 6y ago

> I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point. They have a positive reputation? I've been a loyal Googler for about 20 years. Nexus, Pixel, Chromecasts, GMail, Fi, Android TV, Google Domains... I'm about done. It seems like every month they do something to make it more apparent that they're just an advertising company. Products fail to get maintained, they get upgrades that make them less useful, or they're outright cancelled. I'm planning on de-Googling a bit soon. I may stick with Android, although iPhones or FOSS options are tempting. I feel like I can't stomach supporting Google when they continue to make misstep after misstep.

nl 6y ago
I'm in a similar boat. I'm not planning on getting the new Pixel though (the Pixel 5 is badly conceived), and too many bad experiences with Samsung mean I'm considering moving to iPhone.
pkulak 6y ago
I'm the same way, except that photos is still amazing.
- tupputuppu 6y ago
  The lock-in with Photos they've slowly moved in is phenomenal. The exporting of originals is always somehow difficult due to random bugs. Lately I've had to resort to Takeout with some relatives to migrate them to Dropbox where they're not locked in, and about 20% of the photos don't contain any exported metadata. It's ridiculous since Google Photos shows those same pictures clearly on the timeline, indicating it does know when they were take, it just excludes that information from the Takeout.
  - AnssiH 6y ago
    If you are in EU, you can make a request for not-included-in-Takeout data here: https://support.google.com/policies/contact/sar https://support.google.com/policies/contact/sar
- 6y ago

TuringNYC 6y ago

I had the same error with contacts on Google Contacts disappearing repeatedly when I changed phones and tried to re-sync. Contact information is so important in business that once you lose it you dump the product forever. Google Contacts immediately stopped being my Master Copy, though I use it as a convenience. I really wish I could set my own permissions, it seemed like it had some multi-master bug.