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Does a plane accident imply we haven't figured out flight yet? Because there's hundreds of nuclear power plants that have been working without major issues for

Does a plane accident imply we haven't figured out flight yet? Because there's hundreds of nuclear power plants that have been working without major issues for decades now. And that's not including subs/ships.

rbanffy 6y ago
> Does a plane accident imply we haven't figured out flight yet? The 737MAX implies that we can't be trusted with following sound technical processes to ensure safety of complicated machinery where there's a financial incentive to cut corners.
- briandear 6y ago
  The 737 Max implies that third world pilot training programs should come under deeper scrutiny. It wasn’t a coincidence that both crashes had “pilot mill” pilots. The FO on Ethiopian had less hours than required to get a commercial certificate in the US, let alone an ATP rating required by US law to fly airliners. And Lion Air was a maintenance joke with a long history of 737 accidents and incidents.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    The incidents were unrelated to maintenance. They were only related to training in the sense that the airlines in question didn't have access to the training that would have informed pilots of the serious design flaws inherent in this aircraft.
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      The Indonesian accident was definitely related to maintenance - the AoA snsors are external, and at least one AoA sensor had been damaged. The Indonesian NTSB found the pilots, mechanics and Boeing equally responsible.
      - jessaustin 6y ago
        New revealings in the report include the discovery of the reason the AOA sensor was feeding faulty information to the flight control computer was that it was most likely improperly repaired by a U.S.-based maintenance repair facility. [0] So, the seemingly racist thread hypothesis of "Indonesians are too stupid to operate modern aircraft" still doesn't hold. [0] https://www.aviationtoday.com/2019/10/28/lion-air-737-max-final-accident-report-cites-aoa-sensor-mcas-as-contributing-factors/ https://www.aviationtoday.com/2019/10/28/lion-air-737-max-fi...
- bassman9000 6y ago
  Shifting the goalposts, but still a magnificent example: does the 737MAX invalidate all other dozens of airplane models with billions of passenger/mile without issues?
pkingolfsson 6y ago
This is not equivalent in terms of risk assessment. One broken product does not endanger environmental ecosystems or countries at the same scale as nuclear. Bear in mind that this was a pretty routine earthquake that is still causing issues almost a decade later.

rbanffy 6y ago

> Does a plane accident imply we haven't figured out flight yet? The 737MAX implies that we can't be trusted with following sound technical processes to ensure safety of complicated machinery where there's a financial incentive to cut corners.

briandear 6y ago
The 737 Max implies that third world pilot training programs should come under deeper scrutiny. It wasn’t a coincidence that both crashes had “pilot mill” pilots. The FO on Ethiopian had less hours than required to get a commercial certificate in the US, let alone an ATP rating required by US law to fly airliners. And Lion Air was a maintenance joke with a long history of 737 accidents and incidents.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  The incidents were unrelated to maintenance. They were only related to training in the sense that the airlines in question didn't have access to the training that would have informed pilots of the serious design flaws inherent in this aircraft.
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    The Indonesian accident was definitely related to maintenance - the AoA snsors are external, and at least one AoA sensor had been damaged. The Indonesian NTSB found the pilots, mechanics and Boeing equally responsible.
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      New revealings in the report include the discovery of the reason the AOA sensor was feeding faulty information to the flight control computer was that it was most likely improperly repaired by a U.S.-based maintenance repair facility. [0] So, the seemingly racist thread hypothesis of "Indonesians are too stupid to operate modern aircraft" still doesn't hold. [0] https://www.aviationtoday.com/2019/10/28/lion-air-737-max-final-accident-report-cites-aoa-sensor-mcas-as-contributing-factors/ https://www.aviationtoday.com/2019/10/28/lion-air-737-max-fi...
bassman9000 6y ago
Shifting the goalposts, but still a magnificent example: does the 737MAX invalidate all other dozens of airplane models with billions of passenger/mile without issues?

pkingolfsson 6y ago

This is not equivalent in terms of risk assessment. One broken product does not endanger environmental ecosystems or countries at the same scale as nuclear. Bear in mind that this was a pretty routine earthquake that is still causing issues almost a decade later.