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Good luck building a phone outside of China. https://www.diamandis.com/blog/shenzhen-global-hardware-capital https://www.diamandis.com/blog/shenzhen-global-har

by est31 6y ago

Good luck building a phone outside of China. https://www.diamandis.com/blog/shenzhen-global-hardware-capital https://www.diamandis.com/blog/shenzhen-global-hardware-capi... Huawei had basically cornered the 5G technology, getting all competitors out of the market, but then Trump ended it. China is buying strategically important technology companies from around the globe, like Kuka for example, and then moves the knowledge into their country. If this trend continues, eventually we'll be in the same situation again where we have to imitate China, not vice versa. It's only a few hundred years ago when China sold extremely expensive porcelain to europe and we reverse engineered porcelain manufacturing (check out Johann Friedrich Böttger).

novok 6y ago
Porcelain isn't what runs the world. It's like citing how Italy has an expensive luxury good that they only know how to make there and therefore they are a top nation of the world, while they haven't been since the roman empire.
- est31 6y ago
  It's not, I've only used it as an example. China had been the world's leading economy for a long time. They spawned many innovations like guns or even paper money. They had a bad century but it's foolish to belittle them.
  - api 6y ago
    IMHO a lot of Westerners are lulled into overconfidence vs. China because of racism, even if that racism is implicit or subconscious. China can't equal America or Europe because China isn't white. There are arguments against China's continued rise that are rooted in demographics, politics, and social issues, but the Chinese are definitely capable of doing what Americans and Europeans do if all else is equal. Racism is nonsense, and like other forms of nonsense believing it makes you gullible and foolish.
    - yters 6y ago
      I don't see any racial disparagement of China. I see criticism of the culture that focuses on stealing, copying, and fine tuning over macro innovations. This is not based in race or genetics, but in the choice by the people how they wish to behave. This is tied in with the atrocious human rights abuse, which makes it seem the problem is undervaluing of the individual human mind, in favor of achieving national objectives at the expense of individuals. Some say this is just part of the national character, but historically it is not. There is a broad range of thought in Chinese history, and while the collectivism has become dominant, it is by no means the only nor most effective Chinese worldview.
simonh 6y ago
No Samsung phones are built in China, most of them are now manufactured in Vietnam.

by est31 6y ago

novok 6y ago

Porcelain isn't what runs the world. It's like citing how Italy has an expensive luxury good that they only know how to make there and therefore they are a top nation of the world, while they haven't been since the roman empire.

est31 6y ago
It's not, I've only used it as an example. China had been the world's leading economy for a long time. They spawned many innovations like guns or even paper money. They had a bad century but it's foolish to belittle them.
- api 6y ago
  IMHO a lot of Westerners are lulled into overconfidence vs. China because of racism, even if that racism is implicit or subconscious. China can't equal America or Europe because China isn't white. There are arguments against China's continued rise that are rooted in demographics, politics, and social issues, but the Chinese are definitely capable of doing what Americans and Europeans do if all else is equal. Racism is nonsense, and like other forms of nonsense believing it makes you gullible and foolish.
  - yters 6y ago
    I don't see any racial disparagement of China. I see criticism of the culture that focuses on stealing, copying, and fine tuning over macro innovations. This is not based in race or genetics, but in the choice by the people how they wish to behave. This is tied in with the atrocious human rights abuse, which makes it seem the problem is undervaluing of the individual human mind, in favor of achieving national objectives at the expense of individuals. Some say this is just part of the national character, but historically it is not. There is a broad range of thought in Chinese history, and while the collectivism has become dominant, it is by no means the only nor most effective Chinese worldview.

simonh 6y ago

No Samsung phones are built in China, most of them are now manufactured in Vietnam.