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But Uber/Lyft/Doordash etc can give them autonomy, they can make them true contractors. I also doubt that the law forces companies to have a work schedule for

by takeda 6y ago

But Uber/Lyft/Doordash etc can give them autonomy, they can make them true contractors. I also doubt that the law forces companies to have a work schedule for their employees. From what I understand it just says that benefits are provided if employee works for more than certain amount of hours. So to me it seems like it's all about exploiting their drivers (treating drivers like employees without providing advantages that employees have)

fairity 6y ago
While it's true that the law doesn't force companies to assign shifts to employees, in practice, it's always the case. The reason is because ultimately, scheduling shifts is going to be both easier to manage and more cost efficient than letting employees choose their own schedule. Uber has a good idea of how many drivers they need at any given time. This ideal distribution of supply will never align perfectly with the supply pool's natural scheduling preferences. You can try to use economic incentives to force these two distributions to overlap, or you can just exert control (that you rightfully have over employees) and force your employees to work when you need them.
- MystK 6y ago
  If scheduling shifts were better for Uber and Lyft, they would have done it already.
  - fairity 6y ago
    You can't legally schedule shifts for independent contractors.
    - takeda 6y ago
      Are you sure about that? Because I worked with other contractors and they also had a schedule like me. The main difference was that they didn't get any benefits and could be let go immediately.
- takeda 6y ago
  but you're saying shifts are scheduled because it is easier for companies. And that's actually true, if people work at the same time, it's easier to cooperate if a manager likes to micromanage it is also easier look at their screen making sure they are working. The thing is that Uber et al prefers if there is no schedule and law actually doesn't stand in the way of that.
solidasparagus 6y ago
> But Uber/Lyft/Doordash etc can give them autonomy, they can make them true contractors. How? As far as I understand, this is literally impossible with AB5, unless they get an exemption like all the other contractor-based industries.
- takeda 6y ago
  They could make drivers independent, allow them receive payments directly (if they chose so) and instead charge them for using their apps. Kind of like it is normally done.

by takeda 6y ago

fairity 6y ago

While it's true that the law doesn't force companies to assign shifts to employees, in practice, it's always the case. The reason is because ultimately, scheduling shifts is going to be both easier to manage and more cost efficient than letting employees choose their own schedule. Uber has a good idea of how many drivers they need at any given time. This ideal distribution of supply will never align perfectly with the supply pool's natural scheduling preferences. You can try to use economic incentives to force these two distributions to overlap, or you can just exert control (that you rightfully have over employees) and force your employees to work when you need them.

MystK 6y ago
If scheduling shifts were better for Uber and Lyft, they would have done it already.
- fairity 6y ago
  You can't legally schedule shifts for independent contractors.
  - takeda 6y ago
    Are you sure about that? Because I worked with other contractors and they also had a schedule like me. The main difference was that they didn't get any benefits and could be let go immediately.
takeda 6y ago
but you're saying shifts are scheduled because it is easier for companies. And that's actually true, if people work at the same time, it's easier to cooperate if a manager likes to micromanage it is also easier look at their screen making sure they are working. The thing is that Uber et al prefers if there is no schedule and law actually doesn't stand in the way of that.

solidasparagus 6y ago

> But Uber/Lyft/Doordash etc can give them autonomy, they can make them true contractors. How? As far as I understand, this is literally impossible with AB5, unless they get an exemption like all the other contractor-based industries.

takeda 6y ago
They could make drivers independent, allow them receive payments directly (if they chose so) and instead charge them for using their apps. Kind of like it is normally done.