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This should be a requirement enforced by legislation.

paledot 6y ago
Truly. Also, if your device depends on a cloud service to function, you must open-source the service if you choose to EOL it.
zamalek 6y ago
IANAL, it is now abandonware and can be legally cracked (legislation past year or two).
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  I’m also not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that’s not a thing, at least in the US. Downloading/distributing abandonware is still piracy, it’s just much less likely anyone will care.
  - zamalek 6y ago
    I remember The Internet Archive celebrating the fact that the "do not tamper" clause was no longer legal for abandonware (as they host tons of abandonware that has been cracked, e.g. Win 95). But I could be wrong.
    - jonathan-neil 6y ago
      Would be great if you tried to look up that information and cite your claim.
      - zamalek 6y ago
        You're absolutely correct to call me out on that (I was on my phone), thankfully a fellow HNer found the specific legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24865881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24865881
    - srtjstjsj 6y ago
      You're wrong. Cracking your own software is always legal, and making illegal copies is always not, regardless of cracks.
      - ByteJockey 6y ago
        That's not how the DMCA works. Circumventing these measure is completely illegal. It's just that doing it on your own software is very unlikely to have anyone find out. But it's a problem for researchers, who generally want to publish their findings (or at least was the last time I was really paying attention to the law in the early to mid 00s).
  - hajile 6y ago
    I think this is what they're talking about > Rulemaking on Exemptions from Prohibition on Circumvention of Technological Measures that Control Access to Copyrighted Works > Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2006/index.html https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2006/index.html
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    No, the dumb legal protections against actually cracking it go away. A typical crack is likely just a few bytes to change. Maybe in multiple places.

Truly. Also, if your device depends on a cloud service to function, you must open-source the service if you choose to EOL it.

zamalek 6y ago

IANAL, it is now abandonware and can be legally cracked (legislation past year or two).

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
I’m also not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that’s not a thing, at least in the US. Downloading/distributing abandonware is still piracy, it’s just much less likely anyone will care.
- zamalek 6y ago
  I remember The Internet Archive celebrating the fact that the "do not tamper" clause was no longer legal for abandonware (as they host tons of abandonware that has been cracked, e.g. Win 95). But I could be wrong.
  - jonathan-neil 6y ago
    Would be great if you tried to look up that information and cite your claim.
    - zamalek 6y ago
      You're absolutely correct to call me out on that (I was on my phone), thankfully a fellow HNer found the specific legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24865881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24865881
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    You're wrong. Cracking your own software is always legal, and making illegal copies is always not, regardless of cracks.
    - ByteJockey 6y ago
      That's not how the DMCA works. Circumventing these measure is completely illegal. It's just that doing it on your own software is very unlikely to have anyone find out. But it's a problem for researchers, who generally want to publish their findings (or at least was the last time I was really paying attention to the law in the early to mid 00s).
- hajile 6y ago
  I think this is what they're talking about > Rulemaking on Exemptions from Prohibition on Circumvention of Technological Measures that Control Access to Copyrighted Works > Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace. https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2006/index.html https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2006/index.html
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  No, the dumb legal protections against actually cracking it go away. A typical crack is likely just a few bytes to change. Maybe in multiple places.