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Fasting 3 days each quarter

36 points by smitec 6y ago

zenincognito 6y ago
On day 2, add about 100ml of clarified butter or as we call it Ghee. Ketosis kicks in much faster, helps you stay strong without any hunger pangs as Ghee will usually act as a lubricant and cleanser for your inner organs. It is also all Fat and there is tonne of literature on benefits of ghee in Indian Vedas.
- schwartzworld 6y ago
  lubricant and cleanser for your organs? sounds legit.
  - OneGuy123 6y ago
    Nutrtional science is the most garbage natural science at this moment. Simple proof: no one knows what the best diet is, hundreds of scientists and skin-in-the-game athlethes are bickering and trying different things out but no-one still knows anything. No one knows that the best foods are for longevity and performance. Such a thing would need a full-generational study. You cannot just "I tried a diet for 1 month and X and Y happened". 1 month is nothing. At least 6 months are needed, 2 years in major changes can still be happening. Also god forbid you trust the offical food pyramid, so many of these "stupid bro science" advices can have a lot more truth to them than the "offical advices" because they were tested via skin-in-the-game.
    - TimSchumann 6y ago
      That closing remark of yours really hits the nail on the head, best sources are those who've lived it. Of course, the plural of anecdote is not evidence, but it's hard to argue with what works.
      - andreskytt 6y ago
        Works for a given individual. Your metabolic system is so non-linear and feedback-ridden, that people have not found a way to “know” anything. Why do you think the science is crap?
  - mckirk 6y ago
    Alternatively just chug some WD40.
- beagle3 6y ago
  Don't know about the "lubricant and cleanser", but it has two relevant scientifically verifiable properties: 1. It's fat, which helps get fat soluble vitamins (if you take them while fasting) digested and metabolized. 2. Butter at least (likely ghee too, but I'm not sure) is full of butyrate, the metabolites of which are heavily involved in ketosis in humans (and is hypothesized to promote ketosis, though I don't know if that was conclusively demonstrated)
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lawlessone 6y ago
You might find this old reddi post interesting. Really seems like a lot of the benefits of calorie restriction and fasting may come from the fact consuming food produces damaging by-products, note the way you cook the food strongly influences how much of these by products come in the food itself, but your body also produces the. AGE's = Glycation products. https://old.reddit.com/r/longevity/comments/iowh0d/dietary_age_products_impact_insulin_resistance/ https://old.reddit.com/r/longevity/comments/iowh0d/dietary_a...
TimSchumann 6y ago
As someone with extensive experience fasting, some thoughts. > My goal is to get into Ketosis before the water fast begins. This is great, it's much easier to start a fast when you're in ketosis. > I keep my water intake high during the week, attempting to drink between 4-7 litres of water per day. This is way WAY too much water, especially if you're drinking anything on top of it. Shoot for 2.5 to 3.5 liters a day maximum. If you do this for any prolonged period of time, or multiple weeks in a row, you're going to have issues. > This is why the fasting once per week doesn't work for me. I think it is just repetitive torture every week with minimal fat burning and quite a disruption to normal socializing. Yeah, that's because you're doing it wrong. I'm on week 4 of 5/2 (fasting/eating) and it's sustainable. So long as I don't eat pure junk on my 2 days, it's not even that bad for the first 24 hours. I have one friend who maintained this schedule for a year and a half, and another who's been at 96+ hour fasts for over a year now. > Cooking whilst mid-fast is torture I didn't find that to be the case. I cooked for my girlfriend plenty on my 60 day fast. Wasn't that big of a deal. Didn't start until after the 2nd week though, so that may have something to do with it. I guess I can see it on shorter fasts if you're not adapted though. > "Threw some salt in my water, feel a fair bit better after that might do this once a day." Yeah... this individual and I need to have a talk about that. This guy says he's 75kg, drinking 4 to 7kg of water a day, for 3 to 5 days, without _ANY_ salt to speak of. The average human is 55 to 60% water by weight. Do you have any idea how hard that is on your kidneys? Or what it does to your salinity levels?
- Legogris 6y ago
  > This is way WAY too much water, especially if you're drinking anything on top of it. Shoot for 2.5 to 3.5 liters a day maximum. If you do this for any prolonged period of time, or multiple weeks in a row, you're going to have issues. Source? Or what kind of issues? I average 5~8 l on a normal day and have been for years. The few times I've had my values checked they were mostly fine, apart from the lab being hassled by the huge sample they got for my 24h urine. Naturally I have a bit higher salt intake than most.
  - TimSchumann 6y ago
    > Source? A mountain of personal experience fasting for extended periods of time. Back of the envelope, over 200 days in the last 3-ish years. If your salt intake is higher than normal, and you don’t fast for extended periods of time, it’s not applicable. In general everything about fasting becomes difficult when your electrolytes get outta whack. It’s been my experience that almost everyone who’s otherwise healthy, with ample access to food, and no experience fasting will confuse their body screaming ‘I need salt’ with ‘I’m thirsty’ —- In the developed world we almost never experience the former. Too much water is just as bad as not enough.
beagle3 6y ago
If you are healthy with all your organs intact (e.g. - you did not have an appendectomy, any part of your digestive system shortened), you can easily do longer fasts - 10 or even 20 days. Appetite generally goes away at day 2 or 3, so day 7 is usually easier than day 2. Highly recommended for physical and mental benefits, from my experience. (This is not medical advice. I am not a doctor and don't play one on the internet. For all you know, I might be a dog).
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  > you can easily do longer fasts - 10 or even 20 days. Not gonna argue against this but reading some comments here I feel like HN is full of health quackery sometimes.
  - tracker1 6y ago
    Most people can water fast for a few weeks, unless you are very lean to start with. That doesn't mean it's easy... there are a LOT of social queues that can trigger a response... but the hunger really does go away after a couple days.
    - cassianoleal 6y ago
      "Social cues" rather than "social queues." I don't mean this as a tell off, just that it had me confused for a second. :)
  - akudha 6y ago
    It is not quackery. It has been proven over and over and over that fasting is good for your health. Even longer fasts (10, 20, 40 days or longer). Check these out for starters https://www.richroll.com/podcast/alan-goldhamer-541/ https://www.richroll.com/podcast/alan-goldhamer-541/ https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Fasting-Arnold-Ehret/dp/1884772013/ https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Fasting-Arnold-Ehret/dp/1884... https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2018/02/story-angus-barbieri-went-382-days-without-eating/#:~:text=In%201965%2C%2027%2Dyear%2D,weighing%20207kg%20(32.5%20stone) https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2018/02/story-angus-barbieri.... Even religions agree on the benefits of fasting. Muslims, Hindus, Jains... all do fasting. Fasting gets bad rep because people do it wrong, especially breaking the fast.
lottin 6y ago
I plan to do a 3-day fast twice a year from now on, already did the first one in June. The main problem for me is that these long fasts take a significant toll on your muscles. After the first one, I noticed that I had lost strength and endurance. Basically you'll have to spend a few weeks training only to get to the level you were at before the fast.
- grenoire 6y ago
  This is the main reason why I don't and won't fast. The author claims that food is not actually a daily need, whereas I know for a fact that I will injure myself cycling or climbing if I skip even a single large meal in a day. It's a noticeable difference.
  - tkdubs 6y ago
    I do maintain a workout schedule but not as intense as yourself. Sounds like you're running pretty close to the edge of all your limits if you can't skip even a single meal.
    - beagle3 6y ago
      or alternatively, addicted to something in his regular intake; An opiate addict will also not function as well without their regular dose. (This is the first account I hear from someone who will get injured from missing a meal. That said, if you have to be addicted to something while keeping in top shape, food sounds like a better deal than opiates).
      - grenoire 6y ago
        I didn't mean to exaggerate that badly but climbing is a sport where your ups and downs are very noticeable. If I don't have a solid lunch and climb in the evening, chances are I will get injured trying to do limit moves. I try to ensure I stabilise my diet and not risk that aspect, just no point for me to skip any.
  - andreskytt 6y ago
bArray 6y ago
This is awful advice: 1. As the author suggests, a lot of that weight loss is just water. It'll come straight back again. 2. Getting into ketosis can take more than a day. Hell your body might even still be processing the carbs for quite a while as your food makes its way slowly around your digestive system. 3. 7 liters of water is tonnes. You risk flushing out your minerals. It's really not recommended. Adding some salt isn't enough. 4. Zero calories vs low calories when doing a low-carb diet doesn't really make a difference, your limitation is just around how much body fat your body can convert to useful energy when you need it. 5. When your body runs out of body fat it can easily source, it starts eating muscle. That's not just your arms and legs, that's things like your heart. 6. If you're not eating your body tries to convert whatever it can get into food. That would include the multi-vitamins he takes. 7. When you come out of ketosis, you should do it slowly. Transition from a high fat, low carb, small protein to increasingly more carbs and proteins. Grabbing a take-out or ribs and ice cream defeats the point. 8. Fasting only really works over short periods. When your body realizes something is wrong your survival mechanisms kick in, you go into starvation mode. Your metabolism drops and you start conserving energy rather than burning it. To lose 1kg, all this guy has to do is make one small adjustment to his daily routine. One less sugar in his coffee, one less take-out a month, a little more cardio, etc.
- tkdubs 6y ago
  Good thing I plan to take 2-3 days to get into Ketosis, and good thing I have about 5% extra body fat so my heart is safe. Point of fasting for me isn't weight loss - pretty happy with my rig as it is. Why should you transition out of ketosis slowly?
- TimSchumann 6y ago
  1. Agree for the first 24 to 48, disagree thereafter. 2. True, depends heavily on diet. The liver and muscles can store a ton of glycogen. Also this is where a lot of the water weight comes from. Dunno about OP, but I’m in a pretty quick 12 to 18 hours back into ketosis pattern with fasting now. 3. Strongly agree, it’s too much. 4. Disagree completely, huge difference metabolically in calorie restriction vs calorie abstinence. 5. Somewhat agree, but the caveat I take issue with is ‘easily’, also most people who will be reading this post are likely quite far away from ‘running out of fat’. 6. Rounding error. 7. Agree. 8. Strongly disagree. I was burning the same 3500kcal or so per day on day 1 as I was on day 60 of my fast, experienced little to no metabolic slowdown. > To lose 1kg, all this guy has to do is make one small adjustment to his daily routine. One less sugar in his coffee, one less take-out a month, a little more cardio, etc For some people, It’s easier and more sustainable to just not eat sometimes.
Darmody 6y ago
While fasting can be very beneficial, be careful if you're going to do it for long periods. A few days is ok but I wouldn't recommend anyone fasting longer without supervision. David Blaine almost dies after 44 days of fasting. Not because of the fasting but because of how they fed him afterwards. He also say he hasn't recovered and his body sometimes acts weird. There's a clip of him talking about this on Joe Rogan Podcast.
- beagle3 6y ago
  Important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome The problem with recommending "supervision" is that there isn't anyone certified to do that in particular; so that's not really helpful. I recommend anyone who wants to try fating to spend a month on /r/keto and /r/fasting , read all their tutorials, read some posts and ask questions; and then make up your mind about what kind of supervision (if at all) you want. It's not a cult; people report bad experiences on these communities as well, and are not ridiculed or excommunicated for it.
  - Darmody 6y ago
    Well, doctors are very well versed in these matters. Maybe not in long fasting but they can tell if something is going wrong with you. I felt I had the obligation to post it. Anyway, I wouldn't do anything extreme by the sake of doing it.
aogaili 6y ago
I did a 35 days water fast in July, I lost 12 kilos (from ~70 to 58) and then gained them back as I hit the gym again. You can see the chart here. https://i.ibb.co/rydPXDR/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-3-07-52-PM.png https://i.ibb.co/rydPXDR/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-3-07-52-P... The top chart is weight and the one below is fat mass in kilos. It was one of the most enlightening experiences of my life.
- me_me_me 6y ago
  Just curious, you returned to your previous BMI or gained muscle mass instead?
  - aogaili 6y ago
    Once I finished the 35 days fast, I started going to the gym. Body fat dropped from ~24% to ~10% on the fast and now up to ~18% after 2 month bulk, so I added more muscle mass, but I had a lot of work as well so I was not able to hit the gym as often as I'd like and I had extra calories. The biggest surprise to me was I was way more focused and attentive but I couldn't sleep much (sometimes 4 hours max). And at some point I got "keto rash" but it faded away eventually. I think if you do the fast and then break the fast with stricker caloric diet and more protein you can gain lean muscle mass, but I got worried when I reached 58 kilos as people started pointing out how skinny I got..so I started bulking up again..
    - me_me_me 6y ago
      Thanks for sharing. > but I got worried when I reached 58 kilos as people started pointing out how skinny I got..so I started bulking up again.. Its important not to swing too hard in other direction too.
    - EvenThisAcronym 6y ago
      > I couldn't sleep much (sometimes 4 hours max) Did you find some way to mitigate this or did you just have to live with it during the fast?

36 points by smitec 6y ago

On day 2, add about 100ml of clarified butter or as we call it Ghee. Ketosis kicks in much faster, helps you stay strong without any hunger pangs as Ghee will usually act as a lubricant and cleanser for your inner organs. It is also all Fat and there is tonne of literature on benefits of ghee in Indian Vedas.

schwartzworld 6y ago
lubricant and cleanser for your organs? sounds legit.
- OneGuy123 6y ago
  Nutrtional science is the most garbage natural science at this moment. Simple proof: no one knows what the best diet is, hundreds of scientists and skin-in-the-game athlethes are bickering and trying different things out but no-one still knows anything. No one knows that the best foods are for longevity and performance. Such a thing would need a full-generational study. You cannot just "I tried a diet for 1 month and X and Y happened". 1 month is nothing. At least 6 months are needed, 2 years in major changes can still be happening. Also god forbid you trust the offical food pyramid, so many of these "stupid bro science" advices can have a lot more truth to them than the "offical advices" because they were tested via skin-in-the-game.
  - TimSchumann 6y ago
    That closing remark of yours really hits the nail on the head, best sources are those who've lived it. Of course, the plural of anecdote is not evidence, but it's hard to argue with what works.
    - andreskytt 6y ago
      Works for a given individual. Your metabolic system is so non-linear and feedback-ridden, that people have not found a way to “know” anything. Why do you think the science is crap?
- mckirk 6y ago
  Alternatively just chug some WD40.
beagle3 6y ago
Don't know about the "lubricant and cleanser", but it has two relevant scientifically verifiable properties: 1. It's fat, which helps get fat soluble vitamins (if you take them while fasting) digested and metabolized. 2. Butter at least (likely ghee too, but I'm not sure) is full of butyrate, the metabolites of which are heavily involved in ketosis in humans (and is hypothesized to promote ketosis, though I don't know if that was conclusively demonstrated)

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lawlessone 6y ago

You might find this old reddi post interesting. Really seems like a lot of the benefits of calorie restriction and fasting may come from the fact consuming food produces damaging by-products, note the way you cook the food strongly influences how much of these by products come in the food itself, but your body also produces the. AGE's = Glycation products. https://old.reddit.com/r/longevity/comments/iowh0d/dietary_age_products_impact_insulin_resistance/ https://old.reddit.com/r/longevity/comments/iowh0d/dietary_a...

TimSchumann 6y ago

As someone with extensive experience fasting, some thoughts. > My goal is to get into Ketosis before the water fast begins. This is great, it's much easier to start a fast when you're in ketosis. > I keep my water intake high during the week, attempting to drink between 4-7 litres of water per day. This is way WAY too much water, especially if you're drinking anything on top of it. Shoot for 2.5 to 3.5 liters a day maximum. If you do this for any prolonged period of time, or multiple weeks in a row, you're going to have issues. > This is why the fasting once per week doesn't work for me. I think it is just repetitive torture every week with minimal fat burning and quite a disruption to normal socializing. Yeah, that's because you're doing it wrong. I'm on week 4 of 5/2 (fasting/eating) and it's sustainable. So long as I don't eat pure junk on my 2 days, it's not even that bad for the first 24 hours. I have one friend who maintained this schedule for a year and a half, and another who's been at 96+ hour fasts for over a year now. > Cooking whilst mid-fast is torture I didn't find that to be the case. I cooked for my girlfriend plenty on my 60 day fast. Wasn't that big of a deal. Didn't start until after the 2nd week though, so that may have something to do with it. I guess I can see it on shorter fasts if you're not adapted though. > "Threw some salt in my water, feel a fair bit better after that might do this once a day." Yeah... this individual and I need to have a talk about that. This guy says he's 75kg, drinking 4 to 7kg of water a day, for 3 to 5 days, without _ANY_ salt to speak of. The average human is 55 to 60% water by weight. Do you have any idea how hard that is on your kidneys? Or what it does to your salinity levels?

Legogris 6y ago
> This is way WAY too much water, especially if you're drinking anything on top of it. Shoot for 2.5 to 3.5 liters a day maximum. If you do this for any prolonged period of time, or multiple weeks in a row, you're going to have issues. Source? Or what kind of issues? I average 5~8 l on a normal day and have been for years. The few times I've had my values checked they were mostly fine, apart from the lab being hassled by the huge sample they got for my 24h urine. Naturally I have a bit higher salt intake than most.
- TimSchumann 6y ago
  > Source? A mountain of personal experience fasting for extended periods of time. Back of the envelope, over 200 days in the last 3-ish years. If your salt intake is higher than normal, and you don’t fast for extended periods of time, it’s not applicable. In general everything about fasting becomes difficult when your electrolytes get outta whack. It’s been my experience that almost everyone who’s otherwise healthy, with ample access to food, and no experience fasting will confuse their body screaming ‘I need salt’ with ‘I’m thirsty’ —- In the developed world we almost never experience the former. Too much water is just as bad as not enough.

beagle3 6y ago

If you are healthy with all your organs intact (e.g. - you did not have an appendectomy, any part of your digestive system shortened), you can easily do longer fasts - 10 or even 20 days. Appetite generally goes away at day 2 or 3, so day 7 is usually easier than day 2. Highly recommended for physical and mental benefits, from my experience. (This is not medical advice. I am not a doctor and don't play one on the internet. For all you know, I might be a dog).

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
> you can easily do longer fasts - 10 or even 20 days. Not gonna argue against this but reading some comments here I feel like HN is full of health quackery sometimes.
- tracker1 6y ago
  Most people can water fast for a few weeks, unless you are very lean to start with. That doesn't mean it's easy... there are a LOT of social queues that can trigger a response... but the hunger really does go away after a couple days.
  - cassianoleal 6y ago
    "Social cues" rather than "social queues." I don't mean this as a tell off, just that it had me confused for a second. :)
- akudha 6y ago
  It is not quackery. It has been proven over and over and over that fasting is good for your health. Even longer fasts (10, 20, 40 days or longer). Check these out for starters https://www.richroll.com/podcast/alan-goldhamer-541/ https://www.richroll.com/podcast/alan-goldhamer-541/ https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Fasting-Arnold-Ehret/dp/1884772013/ https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Fasting-Arnold-Ehret/dp/1884... https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2018/02/story-angus-barbieri-went-382-days-without-eating/#:~:text=In%201965%2C%2027%2Dyear%2D,weighing%20207kg%20(32.5%20stone) https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2018/02/story-angus-barbieri.... Even religions agree on the benefits of fasting. Muslims, Hindus, Jains... all do fasting. Fasting gets bad rep because people do it wrong, especially breaking the fast.

lottin 6y ago

I plan to do a 3-day fast twice a year from now on, already did the first one in June. The main problem for me is that these long fasts take a significant toll on your muscles. After the first one, I noticed that I had lost strength and endurance. Basically you'll have to spend a few weeks training only to get to the level you were at before the fast.

grenoire 6y ago
This is the main reason why I don't and won't fast. The author claims that food is not actually a daily need, whereas I know for a fact that I will injure myself cycling or climbing if I skip even a single large meal in a day. It's a noticeable difference.
- tkdubs 6y ago
  I do maintain a workout schedule but not as intense as yourself. Sounds like you're running pretty close to the edge of all your limits if you can't skip even a single meal.
  - beagle3 6y ago
    or alternatively, addicted to something in his regular intake; An opiate addict will also not function as well without their regular dose. (This is the first account I hear from someone who will get injured from missing a meal. That said, if you have to be addicted to something while keeping in top shape, food sounds like a better deal than opiates).
    - grenoire 6y ago
      I didn't mean to exaggerate that badly but climbing is a sport where your ups and downs are very noticeable. If I don't have a solid lunch and climb in the evening, chances are I will get injured trying to do limit moves. I try to ensure I stabilise my diet and not risk that aspect, just no point for me to skip any.
- andreskytt 6y ago

bArray 6y ago

This is awful advice: 1. As the author suggests, a lot of that weight loss is just water. It'll come straight back again. 2. Getting into ketosis can take more than a day. Hell your body might even still be processing the carbs for quite a while as your food makes its way slowly around your digestive system. 3. 7 liters of water is tonnes. You risk flushing out your minerals. It's really not recommended. Adding some salt isn't enough. 4. Zero calories vs low calories when doing a low-carb diet doesn't really make a difference, your limitation is just around how much body fat your body can convert to useful energy when you need it. 5. When your body runs out of body fat it can easily source, it starts eating muscle. That's not just your arms and legs, that's things like your heart. 6. If you're not eating your body tries to convert whatever it can get into food. That would include the multi-vitamins he takes. 7. When you come out of ketosis, you should do it slowly. Transition from a high fat, low carb, small protein to increasingly more carbs and proteins. Grabbing a take-out or ribs and ice cream defeats the point. 8. Fasting only really works over short periods. When your body realizes something is wrong your survival mechanisms kick in, you go into starvation mode. Your metabolism drops and you start conserving energy rather than burning it. To lose 1kg, all this guy has to do is make one small adjustment to his daily routine. One less sugar in his coffee, one less take-out a month, a little more cardio, etc.

tkdubs 6y ago
Good thing I plan to take 2-3 days to get into Ketosis, and good thing I have about 5% extra body fat so my heart is safe. Point of fasting for me isn't weight loss - pretty happy with my rig as it is. Why should you transition out of ketosis slowly?
TimSchumann 6y ago
1. Agree for the first 24 to 48, disagree thereafter. 2. True, depends heavily on diet. The liver and muscles can store a ton of glycogen. Also this is where a lot of the water weight comes from. Dunno about OP, but I’m in a pretty quick 12 to 18 hours back into ketosis pattern with fasting now. 3. Strongly agree, it’s too much. 4. Disagree completely, huge difference metabolically in calorie restriction vs calorie abstinence. 5. Somewhat agree, but the caveat I take issue with is ‘easily’, also most people who will be reading this post are likely quite far away from ‘running out of fat’. 6. Rounding error. 7. Agree. 8. Strongly disagree. I was burning the same 3500kcal or so per day on day 1 as I was on day 60 of my fast, experienced little to no metabolic slowdown. > To lose 1kg, all this guy has to do is make one small adjustment to his daily routine. One less sugar in his coffee, one less take-out a month, a little more cardio, etc For some people, It’s easier and more sustainable to just not eat sometimes.

Darmody 6y ago

While fasting can be very beneficial, be careful if you're going to do it for long periods. A few days is ok but I wouldn't recommend anyone fasting longer without supervision. David Blaine almost dies after 44 days of fasting. Not because of the fasting but because of how they fed him afterwards. He also say he hasn't recovered and his body sometimes acts weird. There's a clip of him talking about this on Joe Rogan Podcast.

beagle3 6y ago
Important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome The problem with recommending "supervision" is that there isn't anyone certified to do that in particular; so that's not really helpful. I recommend anyone who wants to try fating to spend a month on /r/keto and /r/fasting , read all their tutorials, read some posts and ask questions; and then make up your mind about what kind of supervision (if at all) you want. It's not a cult; people report bad experiences on these communities as well, and are not ridiculed or excommunicated for it.
- Darmody 6y ago
  Well, doctors are very well versed in these matters. Maybe not in long fasting but they can tell if something is going wrong with you. I felt I had the obligation to post it. Anyway, I wouldn't do anything extreme by the sake of doing it.

aogaili 6y ago

I did a 35 days water fast in July, I lost 12 kilos (from ~70 to 58) and then gained them back as I hit the gym again. You can see the chart here. https://i.ibb.co/rydPXDR/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-3-07-52-PM.png https://i.ibb.co/rydPXDR/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-3-07-52-P... The top chart is weight and the one below is fat mass in kilos. It was one of the most enlightening experiences of my life.

me_me_me 6y ago
Just curious, you returned to your previous BMI or gained muscle mass instead?
- aogaili 6y ago
  Once I finished the 35 days fast, I started going to the gym. Body fat dropped from ~24% to ~10% on the fast and now up to ~18% after 2 month bulk, so I added more muscle mass, but I had a lot of work as well so I was not able to hit the gym as often as I'd like and I had extra calories. The biggest surprise to me was I was way more focused and attentive but I couldn't sleep much (sometimes 4 hours max). And at some point I got "keto rash" but it faded away eventually. I think if you do the fast and then break the fast with stricker caloric diet and more protein you can gain lean muscle mass, but I got worried when I reached 58 kilos as people started pointing out how skinny I got..so I started bulking up again..
  - me_me_me 6y ago
    Thanks for sharing. > but I got worried when I reached 58 kilos as people started pointing out how skinny I got..so I started bulking up again.. Its important not to swing too hard in other direction too.
  - EvenThisAcronym 6y ago
    > I couldn't sleep much (sometimes 4 hours max) Did you find some way to mitigate this or did you just have to live with it during the fast?