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What we need is the email metadata, specifically the headers including DKIM signatures. Then we can verify their content with Google’s public key. Are they hol

What we need is the email metadata, specifically the headers including DKIM signatures. Then we can verify their content with Google’s public key. Are they holding back the metadata in order to catch Biden in a trap denying the authenticity of the emails? Here is a link to an interview with a surrogate for the Biden campaign, who says “I Don't Think Anybody Is Saying They Are Inauthentic.” [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOs22GI1rH0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOs22GI1rH0

koolba 6y ago
> Are they holding back the metadata in order to catch Biden in a trap denying the authenticity of the emails? Bingo. Because the only thing better then evidence of corruption is disprovable denials of the evidence of corruption. I'm guessing that's why Biden has not had a formal press event since this story came out. It's also why he's literally hiding at home until after the final debate. Anything he says will be quoted back to him.
takeda 6y ago
DKIM could be used to rule it out as a fake, even if that signature is correct we still don't know a lot of things, like whether the sender's email really belong to the person who they claim to be (".ukraine" is really weird thing to add to your personal email), whether Hunter responded to it (you would think that having his laptop, they would have all emails he sent) or whether the meeting happened at all. There are so many questions, and time too short to answer them all (purposefully, since it supposed to be an October surprise, the PDF with email print shows that it was prepared a year ago)
- TechBro8615 6y ago
  It’s also confusing because there are multiple laptops involved. In addition to the HB laptop, there are now claims that Hunter’s business partner Bevan Cooney (a federal inmate) has “flipped” and provided “26,000 emails” to some journalists in the Trump sphere. https://heavy.com/news/bevan-cooney/ https://heavy.com/news/bevan-cooney/
slg 6y ago
To be clear, the authenticity of the emails is not the only part of the story that is questionable. The whole story about how these emails were acquired is important too. A lot of the seemingly "comically" fabricated details are related to that. It is important to known if these emails were recovered in a legal way or whether they originated in some Russian hack like the FBI is currently investigating.
- perf1 6y ago
  Why would Russia actually support Trump? Fracking and Trump wanting to sell Oil to Europe is really bad for Russia. What did Russia get for allegedly supporting Trump?
  - slg 6y ago
    Destabilize the most powerful country in the world and then swoop in to fill that power vacuum. What has transpired in Syria is a prime example.
  - kayfox 6y ago
    From this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics "Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"."
- zlynx 6y ago
  I don't think it is important how secrets come to light. It is only important if they are true or not. Sure, Russian Intelligence may have hacked my politicians computers. Or Russian teenagers. Or American teenagers. Or American journalists paid off an informant. None of that actually matters because the only thing important is if the information is true or not. If it was uncovered "legally" makes no difference in the USA, except for prosecutions and lawsuits. Journalists cannot be prevented from publishing true information, no matter how they got it.

koolba 6y ago

> Are they holding back the metadata in order to catch Biden in a trap denying the authenticity of the emails? Bingo. Because the only thing better then evidence of corruption is disprovable denials of the evidence of corruption. I'm guessing that's why Biden has not had a formal press event since this story came out. It's also why he's literally hiding at home until after the final debate. Anything he says will be quoted back to him.

takeda 6y ago

DKIM could be used to rule it out as a fake, even if that signature is correct we still don't know a lot of things, like whether the sender's email really belong to the person who they claim to be (".ukraine" is really weird thing to add to your personal email), whether Hunter responded to it (you would think that having his laptop, they would have all emails he sent) or whether the meeting happened at all. There are so many questions, and time too short to answer them all (purposefully, since it supposed to be an October surprise, the PDF with email print shows that it was prepared a year ago)

TechBro8615 6y ago
It’s also confusing because there are multiple laptops involved. In addition to the HB laptop, there are now claims that Hunter’s business partner Bevan Cooney (a federal inmate) has “flipped” and provided “26,000 emails” to some journalists in the Trump sphere. https://heavy.com/news/bevan-cooney/ https://heavy.com/news/bevan-cooney/

slg 6y ago

To be clear, the authenticity of the emails is not the only part of the story that is questionable. The whole story about how these emails were acquired is important too. A lot of the seemingly "comically" fabricated details are related to that. It is important to known if these emails were recovered in a legal way or whether they originated in some Russian hack like the FBI is currently investigating.

perf1 6y ago
Why would Russia actually support Trump? Fracking and Trump wanting to sell Oil to Europe is really bad for Russia. What did Russia get for allegedly supporting Trump?
- slg 6y ago
  Destabilize the most powerful country in the world and then swoop in to fill that power vacuum. What has transpired in Syria is a prime example.
- kayfox 6y ago
  From this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics "Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"."
zlynx 6y ago
I don't think it is important how secrets come to light. It is only important if they are true or not. Sure, Russian Intelligence may have hacked my politicians computers. Or Russian teenagers. Or American teenagers. Or American journalists paid off an informant. None of that actually matters because the only thing important is if the information is true or not. If it was uncovered "legally" makes no difference in the USA, except for prosecutions and lawsuits. Journalists cannot be prevented from publishing true information, no matter how they got it.