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Sorry but what exactly is non-political news? I’m convinced that people who talk about “politics” as a thing external to them are just refusing to engage with

by gaze 6y ago

Sorry but what exactly is non-political news? I’m convinced that people who talk about “politics” as a thing external to them are just refusing to engage with the parts of the world that are uncomfortable to them.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Looking at the CNN front page for a good source of examples, non-political news would be things like: * Evacuations ordered in Colorado and Utah as crews battle new blazes * NFL reports no new positive Covid-19 tests * Preorders are open for the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro When people discuss political news, they're referring to stories like "Biden is putting red states in play" or "Mexican restaurant takes political stand with sign declaring 'No Love, No Tacos'" - stories which are fundamentally about partisans doing battle with each other.
- guscost 6y ago
  “Political news” very often consists of what Daniel J. Boorstin called “pseudo-events”, actions taken by people for the purpose of generating news. Today’s example: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/18/politics/pelosi-stimulus-talks-election/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/18/politics/pelosi-stimulus-talk... In a profound sense, most political news really is “fake news”.
  - asdff 6y ago
    I think less 'fake news' and more like spitballing, personally. The article even ends in a 'could.' I think there is space for postulating on the implications of an event. We only see brief windows into what actually happens in discussions on capitol hill anyway, so idle speculation based on what we do see is expected.
MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
I don't engage with politics online seeing as the psychotic leftist sentiment doesn't allow for an honest discussion of the current democrats. Also if anybody simply says they vote for trump, theyre labeled online as if some sort of abhorrent miniscule group.
- gaze 6y ago
  I assure you most people outside this abhorant miniscule group abhors this abhorant miniscule group. Trump voters should indeed feel ashamed and lose their friends.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
    See, you don't even know why they're voting for Trump. You just assume the worst and that they're all incoherent morons. Did you know that the moral high ground doesn't mean you're superior to these people. It affects your life in a minuscule way.
PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
I think that the good faith of "politics" is more related to "winning elections and/or otherwise gaining the power to create and change legislation". This differentiates it, ideally, from e.g. processes to find solutions to problems that have different kinds of approaches depending on your political outlook. Someone who says that any discussion of e.g. energy policy is "political" is just being stupid. Someone who points out that someone is taking a particular position w.r.t e.g energy policy purely as a cynical political move might be right.
zests 6y ago
If your response to "I don't like X" is "everything is at least a little bit X" then you should read "I don't like X" as something like "I don't like anything more X than necessary" or "I don't like anything unless its in the bottom 25% of X". This feels like a version of the continuum/heap paradox.

by gaze 6y ago

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Looking at the CNN front page for a good source of examples, non-political news would be things like: * Evacuations ordered in Colorado and Utah as crews battle new blazes * NFL reports no new positive Covid-19 tests * Preorders are open for the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro When people discuss political news, they're referring to stories like "Biden is putting red states in play" or "Mexican restaurant takes political stand with sign declaring 'No Love, No Tacos'" - stories which are fundamentally about partisans doing battle with each other.

guscost 6y ago
“Political news” very often consists of what Daniel J. Boorstin called “pseudo-events”, actions taken by people for the purpose of generating news. Today’s example: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/18/politics/pelosi-stimulus-talks-election/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/18/politics/pelosi-stimulus-talk... In a profound sense, most political news really is “fake news”.
- asdff 6y ago
  I think less 'fake news' and more like spitballing, personally. The article even ends in a 'could.' I think there is space for postulating on the implications of an event. We only see brief windows into what actually happens in discussions on capitol hill anyway, so idle speculation based on what we do see is expected.

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago

I don't engage with politics online seeing as the psychotic leftist sentiment doesn't allow for an honest discussion of the current democrats. Also if anybody simply says they vote for trump, theyre labeled online as if some sort of abhorrent miniscule group.

gaze 6y ago
I assure you most people outside this abhorant miniscule group abhors this abhorant miniscule group. Trump voters should indeed feel ashamed and lose their friends.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  See, you don't even know why they're voting for Trump. You just assume the worst and that they're all incoherent morons. Did you know that the moral high ground doesn't mean you're superior to these people. It affects your life in a minuscule way.

PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago

I think that the good faith of "politics" is more related to "winning elections and/or otherwise gaining the power to create and change legislation". This differentiates it, ideally, from e.g. processes to find solutions to problems that have different kinds of approaches depending on your political outlook. Someone who says that any discussion of e.g. energy policy is "political" is just being stupid. Someone who points out that someone is taking a particular position w.r.t e.g energy policy purely as a cynical political move might be right.

zests 6y ago

If your response to "I don't like X" is "everything is at least a little bit X" then you should read "I don't like X" as something like "I don't like anything more X than necessary" or "I don't like anything unless its in the bottom 25% of X". This feels like a version of the continuum/heap paradox.