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the app doesn't store location information by design for privacy reasons

88840-8855 6y ago
if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. still, some guys making 140k in their it engineering jobs working from home and relaxing are telling me sth about "data privacy as priority". i disagree. people disagree. Taiwan did a FANTASTIC job leveraging data. we are either not capable of that or just fanatic.... maybe both.
- justoreply 6y ago
  several people still remember the Stasi and they don't want a state controlled app to monitor their movement. If you want your app to have the biggest installation base (without asking for a mandatory installation) you can't ask for user location, with it enabled fewer people will install it
  - 88840-8855 6y ago
    ... the same people that shop on amazon, use "payback" (a shopping monitoring system), post crap on facebook and enjoy google's personalisation. Please, mate, this is just populism what you are doing there.
    - adriancr 6y ago
      I take it you haven't lived under a communist regime? There's a difference between what you share willingly and stuff being collected on you, especially in private matters.
    - neuronic 6y ago
      My family was directly affected by Stasi. I care about what the government knows and what it can do to you. I constantly have 2-3 low risk exposure notifications. But it doesn't matter where they happened since I already know that I am carefully avoiding risky areas. I am sitting next to my window when working and people walk past that window within 2 meters. That alone could set off exposure notifications. Or maybe someone across the aisle in the supermarket? Would I not go to the supermarket if I know it happened there? Would I not go for a walk if I knew someone 8 meters away from me on some bench was later diagnosed with COVID? It barely serves any purpose at all outside of curiosity. The app already tells you everything you need to know.
    - fogihujy 6y ago
      Please don't compare anti-consumer behaviour of US mega-corporations with the atrocities that intelligence services behind the Iron Curtain committed on their own peoples. It's simply not in the same ballpark.
    - imtringued 6y ago
      Not everyone shops on amazon but everyone would have to install a government mandated app. You're overgeneralizing every human.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
        What if I have no app-capable smart and mobile device? Does the government provide me with one? Do I get an electronic ankle bracelet instead? What about a collar?
        joejerryronnie 6y ago
        Government mandated implants are more efficient
        LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
        Can't wait to have this https://www.foxnews.com/story/saudi-killer-chip-implant-would-track-eliminate-undesirables https://www.foxnews.com/story/saudi-killer-chip-implant-woul... can you? :)
    - dantheman 6y ago
      There's a huge difference between the government and private organizations.
- tastroder 6y ago
  The German tech scene struggled for about a month to stop the senseless data hoarding of the centralised digital contact tracing approach that was spearheaded and developed by a bunch of lobbyists. You might disagree with the concept that developed, and is generally accepted in a majority of Europe, but it's certainly not "the people" being against that. The when and where of individual encounters, especially at low levels of infected population, are pretty irrelevant. At this point you should really be aware of how you can change your behaviour to minimise risk, that really hasn't changed in the past few months.
- Vinnl 6y ago
  > people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. So when the app tells you to quarantine, you quarantine? Or it is important enough to share everyone's location data, but not for people to more radically adjust their behaviour rather than just avoid a particular location?
- jclos 6y ago
  > if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. Show the evidence. Wanting data privacy is far from the fringe minority sentiment you imply it to be, otherwise GDPR wouldn't be so popular.
  - 88840-8855 6y ago
    life and death vs annoying ads. i think there is a difference, mate.
    - adriancr 6y ago
      There should be another solution that doesn't bring stasi level monitoring...
  - jokethrowaway 6y ago
    The only people who like gdpr and cookie banners are lawyers and agencies who can charge some money for that
    - malka 6y ago
      Citation neeeded.

if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. still, some guys making 140k in their it engineering jobs working from home and relaxing are telling me sth about "data privacy as priority". i disagree. people disagree. Taiwan did a FANTASTIC job leveraging data. we are either not capable of that or just fanatic.... maybe both.

justoreply 6y ago
several people still remember the Stasi and they don't want a state controlled app to monitor their movement. If you want your app to have the biggest installation base (without asking for a mandatory installation) you can't ask for user location, with it enabled fewer people will install it
- 88840-8855 6y ago
  ... the same people that shop on amazon, use "payback" (a shopping monitoring system), post crap on facebook and enjoy google's personalisation. Please, mate, this is just populism what you are doing there.
  - adriancr 6y ago
    I take it you haven't lived under a communist regime? There's a difference between what you share willingly and stuff being collected on you, especially in private matters.
  - neuronic 6y ago
    My family was directly affected by Stasi. I care about what the government knows and what it can do to you. I constantly have 2-3 low risk exposure notifications. But it doesn't matter where they happened since I already know that I am carefully avoiding risky areas. I am sitting next to my window when working and people walk past that window within 2 meters. That alone could set off exposure notifications. Or maybe someone across the aisle in the supermarket? Would I not go to the supermarket if I know it happened there? Would I not go for a walk if I knew someone 8 meters away from me on some bench was later diagnosed with COVID? It barely serves any purpose at all outside of curiosity. The app already tells you everything you need to know.
  - fogihujy 6y ago
    Please don't compare anti-consumer behaviour of US mega-corporations with the atrocities that intelligence services behind the Iron Curtain committed on their own peoples. It's simply not in the same ballpark.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    Not everyone shops on amazon but everyone would have to install a government mandated app. You're overgeneralizing every human.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
      What if I have no app-capable smart and mobile device? Does the government provide me with one? Do I get an electronic ankle bracelet instead? What about a collar?
      - joejerryronnie 6y ago
        Government mandated implants are more efficient
        LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
        Can't wait to have this https://www.foxnews.com/story/saudi-killer-chip-implant-would-track-eliminate-undesirables https://www.foxnews.com/story/saudi-killer-chip-implant-woul... can you? :)
  - dantheman 6y ago
    There's a huge difference between the government and private organizations.
tastroder 6y ago
The German tech scene struggled for about a month to stop the senseless data hoarding of the centralised digital contact tracing approach that was spearheaded and developed by a bunch of lobbyists. You might disagree with the concept that developed, and is generally accepted in a majority of Europe, but it's certainly not "the people" being against that. The when and where of individual encounters, especially at low levels of infected population, are pretty irrelevant. At this point you should really be aware of how you can change your behaviour to minimise risk, that really hasn't changed in the past few months.
Vinnl 6y ago
> people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. So when the app tells you to quarantine, you quarantine? Or it is important enough to share everyone's location data, but not for people to more radically adjust their behaviour rather than just avoid a particular location?
jclos 6y ago
> if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. Show the evidence. Wanting data privacy is far from the fringe minority sentiment you imply it to be, otherwise GDPR wouldn't be so popular.
- 88840-8855 6y ago
  life and death vs annoying ads. i think there is a difference, mate.
  - adriancr 6y ago
    There should be another solution that doesn't bring stasi level monitoring...
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  The only people who like gdpr and cookie banners are lawyers and agencies who can charge some money for that
  - malka 6y ago
    Citation neeeded.