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That's a straw man in bad faith. Increasing education resources doesn't have to have an end goal of reeducation camps. Education is woefully underfunded in Am

by dagmx 6y ago

That's a straw man in bad faith. Increasing education resources doesn't have to have an end goal of reeducation camps. Education is woefully underfunded in America, especially rural America. Starting with giving people access to the same level of education across the board is a good first step in increasing critical thinking. Not everything has to be torn down into authoritarian versus a free for all. There are lots of shades of grey in between.

ilaksh 6y ago
It's not just underfunded in rural America. It's underfunded in urban America also. The world is a smaller place than you think. You could get on a plane and be in one of those re-education camps tomorrow if allowed foreigners in it. It's a real thing that is happening now. In the name of education. Because those people are expressing beliefs that the authorities don't condone. Rural America is where people who have different beliefs from you are. Which is really what this is about. Otherwise you would have included all of the urban and suburban education underfunding.
- dagmx 6y ago
  You seem to be the one making it about different teams. I specifically said it's underfunded across the country, with an emphasis on rural America because they generally have lower funding available. I'm not sure why you keep jumping to authoritative straw man arguments. Please at least try and argue in good faith and read what I'm writing.
rayiner 6y ago
> Education is woefully underfunded in America, especially rural America. Relative to what? The US spends among the most of any country on education. https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/International-Education-Spending-Data_Image.png https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/International-E... If the assertion is that education is underfunded everywhere in the world, that’s an interesting assertion, but what’s the basis?
- dagmx 6y ago
  I will try to make this non partisan, but there is sadly a strong correlation in these links. The issue isn't so much total levels of funding. It's even levels of funding, with many schools being underfunded especially in rural and minority districts https://www.aft.org/press-release/education-underfunding-tops-19-billion-over-decade-neglect https://www.aft.org/press-release/education-underfunding-top... https://tcf.org/content/about-tcf/tcf-study-finds-u-s-schools-underfunded-nearly-150-billion-annually/ https://tcf.org/content/about-tcf/tcf-study-finds-u-s-school... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/02/09/this-is-what-inadequate-funding-at-a-public-school-looks-and-feels-like-as-told-by-an-entire-faculty/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/02/... Edit: HN doesn't let me reply to replies to this post. So sadly I cannot engage with people replying. Perhaps some kind of depth limit?
  - tptacek 6y ago
    First, TCF isn't non-partisan; it's a progressive institution. More importantly, TCF's "underfunding" metrics assume the conclusion of the debate you're having here. They're generated via correlation of expenditure to 3rd and 5th grade reading and math scores. But if your argument is that increased school funding is an inefficient or even ineffective way to increase 3rd and 5th grade reading and math scores (or, more subtly, if you think those narrow measures aren't durable through 12th grade) then the TCF study isn't really a rebuttal to that argument at all, is it?
  - mythrwy 6y ago
    Maybe it's not entirely about funding.

by dagmx 6y ago

ilaksh 6y ago

It's not just underfunded in rural America. It's underfunded in urban America also. The world is a smaller place than you think. You could get on a plane and be in one of those re-education camps tomorrow if allowed foreigners in it. It's a real thing that is happening now. In the name of education. Because those people are expressing beliefs that the authorities don't condone. Rural America is where people who have different beliefs from you are. Which is really what this is about. Otherwise you would have included all of the urban and suburban education underfunding.

dagmx 6y ago
You seem to be the one making it about different teams. I specifically said it's underfunded across the country, with an emphasis on rural America because they generally have lower funding available. I'm not sure why you keep jumping to authoritative straw man arguments. Please at least try and argue in good faith and read what I'm writing.

rayiner 6y ago

> Education is woefully underfunded in America, especially rural America. Relative to what? The US spends among the most of any country on education. https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/International-Education-Spending-Data_Image.png https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/International-E... If the assertion is that education is underfunded everywhere in the world, that’s an interesting assertion, but what’s the basis?

dagmx 6y ago
I will try to make this non partisan, but there is sadly a strong correlation in these links. The issue isn't so much total levels of funding. It's even levels of funding, with many schools being underfunded especially in rural and minority districts https://www.aft.org/press-release/education-underfunding-tops-19-billion-over-decade-neglect https://www.aft.org/press-release/education-underfunding-top... https://tcf.org/content/about-tcf/tcf-study-finds-u-s-schools-underfunded-nearly-150-billion-annually/ https://tcf.org/content/about-tcf/tcf-study-finds-u-s-school... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/02/09/this-is-what-inadequate-funding-at-a-public-school-looks-and-feels-like-as-told-by-an-entire-faculty/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/02/... Edit: HN doesn't let me reply to replies to this post. So sadly I cannot engage with people replying. Perhaps some kind of depth limit?
- tptacek 6y ago
  First, TCF isn't non-partisan; it's a progressive institution. More importantly, TCF's "underfunding" metrics assume the conclusion of the debate you're having here. They're generated via correlation of expenditure to 3rd and 5th grade reading and math scores. But if your argument is that increased school funding is an inefficient or even ineffective way to increase 3rd and 5th grade reading and math scores (or, more subtly, if you think those narrow measures aren't durable through 12th grade) then the TCF study isn't really a rebuttal to that argument at all, is it?
- mythrwy 6y ago
  Maybe it's not entirely about funding.