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My personal experience has been Ubuntu is not only faster but way less annoying especially with live patch updates. The problem with windows for personal use i

by aszen 6y ago

My personal experience has been Ubuntu is not only faster but way less annoying especially with live patch updates. The problem with windows for personal use is that it gets in the way too often with pop ups, notifications and crap ads inside start menu. Modern gnome is quite good already, though our team is using older hardware that's well supported on Linux. New team members get familiar with the gnome desktop quite quickly and with a dedicated app store installing apps has never been more easier on Linux. We do still use windows but only inside a vm for office and outlook mainly because we have to With many people using browser based tools there is simply not much of a difference in people's workflows across desktop oses. I think the change has to start at the enterprise level, once companies start using linux then it's simply a matter of time before people switch their personal computers to linux.

formerly_proven 6y ago
> The problem with windows for personal use is that it gets in the way too often with pop ups, notifications and crap ads inside start menu. It's no less a problem for enterprise use. On my Windows 10 work machine I constantly get pop-ups begging for credentials and attention for stuff that I simply don't care about or that doesn't need the credentials. Some of these are particularly aggressive and will always steal keyboard focus from any window, while daring to put up another pop up notification near the systray (which are so extremely important according to microsoft, that these notifications have even higher priority than the pop-up menu of the systray -- what'cha thinking Microsoft, do I wanna interact with the thing I just clicked on to open, or with the thing you pooped up over it under my cursor?!) when I dismiss them. I made a spreadsheet once and got about two dozen work-interruptions from Microsoft popups. Not to mention the absurd aggressiveness of Microsoft Teams notifications. I avoid the app when I'm not actively participating in a call (it randomly uses too much CPU and is also obviously tracking everything you do on the PC), so I usually have Teams quarantined in a Firefox tab. Other software manages to have hit-me-once notifications, but not Teams. Somewhere someone writes a message? Let's put multiple notifications on the screen and start bleeping away. What, you didn't look at the message? Let's send a reminder email! Modern Microsoft software would make Kafka cringe, for we are morons allowing this.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  I find slack equally aggressive for notifications. I installed it on my work phone which I don't use to make it stop.
FooHentai 6y ago
See my experience was the opposite in the context of home use. I used Ubuntu desktop as a daily driver for a few years. After a year or so of use boot filled up and the whole thing wouldn't update any more. Finding a resolution to that was a pain in the ass. Turns out I should have done something other than accept the defaults when installing the OS, or known to clear out un-needed kernels from boot periodically. At another point during an upgrade from one LTS edition to another, the DWM was switched out but something happened during the transition and the logon screen booted up to the old, unusable DWM/interface. Had to boot at a different runlevel and point the boot config at the correct DWM. These are the kind of issues which keep Linux on the desktop limited to enthusiasts only. I have worked professionally with Linux for many years, but at home I just want shit that runs itself. I can recover from these kinds of problems but that's my leisure time shot to shit for the evening and that's a very different equation to fixing issues on the clock (or in leisure time where I'm specifically electing to tackle something tech-related e.g. in the homelab). Then I discovered my ageing Windows 7 licenses on the machines would still upgrade to Win10 just fine and that was the end of Linux on the desktop for me for a while.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  Ubuntu strikes again. No such thing on Arch Linux: $ ls -1 /boot/ grub initramfs-linux-fallback.img initramfs-linux.img intel-ucode.img vmlinuz-linux No LTS and no upgrade either.
  - ghthor 6y ago
    Ubuntu has done both good and bad for the linux name
  - ac29 6y ago
    The downside to the Arch method of deleting old kernels is that it also deletes modules. So, if you install a kernel update without rebooting, then insert a USB device that needs to load a module it just silently wont work.
    - 6y ago
Falkon1313 6y ago
>The problem with windows for personal use is that it gets in the way too often with pop ups, notifications and crap ads inside start menu. I turned those off within a day after I installed it and haven't had those problems in years. I do recommend getting the Pro version as it makes that stuff more easily configurable. Some people will take issue with that, but for me as a power user it's worth it to have that additional control over something I use all day every day. ETA: I use linux and MacOS at work, and linux is quite good for that. I find MacOS infuriating though - worse than Windows even for basic window and file management functionality, and worse for configurability.

by aszen 6y ago

formerly_proven 6y ago

> The problem with windows for personal use is that it gets in the way too often with pop ups, notifications and crap ads inside start menu. It's no less a problem for enterprise use. On my Windows 10 work machine I constantly get pop-ups begging for credentials and attention for stuff that I simply don't care about or that doesn't need the credentials. Some of these are particularly aggressive and will always steal keyboard focus from any window, while daring to put up another pop up notification near the systray (which are so extremely important according to microsoft, that these notifications have even higher priority than the pop-up menu of the systray -- what'cha thinking Microsoft, do I wanna interact with the thing I just clicked on to open, or with the thing you pooped up over it under my cursor?!) when I dismiss them. I made a spreadsheet once and got about two dozen work-interruptions from Microsoft popups. Not to mention the absurd aggressiveness of Microsoft Teams notifications. I avoid the app when I'm not actively participating in a call (it randomly uses too much CPU and is also obviously tracking everything you do on the PC), so I usually have Teams quarantined in a Firefox tab. Other software manages to have hit-me-once notifications, but not Teams. Somewhere someone writes a message? Let's put multiple notifications on the screen and start bleeping away. What, you didn't look at the message? Let's send a reminder email! Modern Microsoft software would make Kafka cringe, for we are morons allowing this.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago
I find slack equally aggressive for notifications. I installed it on my work phone which I don't use to make it stop.

FooHentai 6y ago

See my experience was the opposite in the context of home use. I used Ubuntu desktop as a daily driver for a few years. After a year or so of use boot filled up and the whole thing wouldn't update any more. Finding a resolution to that was a pain in the ass. Turns out I should have done something other than accept the defaults when installing the OS, or known to clear out un-needed kernels from boot periodically. At another point during an upgrade from one LTS edition to another, the DWM was switched out but something happened during the transition and the logon screen booted up to the old, unusable DWM/interface. Had to boot at a different runlevel and point the boot config at the correct DWM. These are the kind of issues which keep Linux on the desktop limited to enthusiasts only. I have worked professionally with Linux for many years, but at home I just want shit that runs itself. I can recover from these kinds of problems but that's my leisure time shot to shit for the evening and that's a very different equation to fixing issues on the clock (or in leisure time where I'm specifically electing to tackle something tech-related e.g. in the homelab). Then I discovered my ageing Windows 7 licenses on the machines would still upgrade to Win10 just fine and that was the end of Linux on the desktop for me for a while.

sergeykish 6y ago
Ubuntu strikes again. No such thing on Arch Linux: $ ls -1 /boot/ grub initramfs-linux-fallback.img initramfs-linux.img intel-ucode.img vmlinuz-linux No LTS and no upgrade either.
- ghthor 6y ago
  Ubuntu has done both good and bad for the linux name
- ac29 6y ago
  The downside to the Arch method of deleting old kernels is that it also deletes modules. So, if you install a kernel update without rebooting, then insert a USB device that needs to load a module it just silently wont work.
  - 6y ago

Falkon1313 6y ago

>The problem with windows for personal use is that it gets in the way too often with pop ups, notifications and crap ads inside start menu. I turned those off within a day after I installed it and haven't had those problems in years. I do recommend getting the Pro version as it makes that stuff more easily configurable. Some people will take issue with that, but for me as a power user it's worth it to have that additional control over something I use all day every day. ETA: I use linux and MacOS at work, and linux is quite good for that. I find MacOS infuriating though - worse than Windows even for basic window and file management functionality, and worse for configurability.