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Yeah, sorry for being obtuse. I'm saying that it should be no surprise that Remdesivir doesn't work because it didn't work in February, either. It makes you won

Yeah, sorry for being obtuse. I'm saying that it should be no surprise that Remdesivir doesn't work because it didn't work in February, either. It makes you wonder why it was ever presented as a valid option. Perhaps the only reason why it got the publicity it did was to distract people from pursuing a treatment that the major pharmaceutical companies can't make any money on. These companies possess the means to influence the news media through their advertising spend, and the agencies through regulatory capture. The timeline also strongly suggests that this is what happened, as Remdesivir came into the spotlight exactly one day after the other protocol was announced. No conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories allege some kind of criminal activity and there is no crime being alleged. All it takes is one person to send a press release.

tom_mellior 6y ago
> distract people from pursuing a treatment that the major pharmaceutical companies can't make any money on [...] No conspiracy theories You haven't come out and said it explicitly (despite being asked), so I'll say it explicitly and let you contradict me: You are a hydroxychloroquine truther. For some reason you believe it must be effective although there is no useful evidence for that either.
- tboyd47 6y ago
  I didn't know "hydroxychloroquine truther" was a thing. I do find the 142 positive studies to be compelling argument. The science does indeed seem to be in favor of the drug. But I'm not a doctor or researcher so my opinion is worthless. https://c19study.com https://c19study.com
  - orwin 6y ago
    I can try to find you the French sources if you want, but Raoult did affirm around early june i think that the IFR for covid19 was 5 time inferior with HCQ and his protocol, with .7% IFR! The ARSGE later published a study that predicted .5% to .9% IFR in eastern France, and i think the CDC predicted .5% for the US.
    - cycrutchfield 6y ago
      To clarify, you are saying that Raoult's study is bogus right? Because I don't think he at any point ever did a real randomized controlled trial.
  - tom_mellior 6y ago
    Last time I looked at that site, the first HCQ study I looked at was counted as positive although the study authors were clear that their results were negative: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730995 Interestingly, the site also seems to list Remdesivir as possibly useful, somewhat weakening your not-a-conspiracy-theory-just-pointing-out-"interesting"-observations. Also, the site made the country data at https://c19study.com/countries.html https://c19study.com/countries.html more respectable-looking since the last time I saw it, but the data quality still seems to be crap. In Central Europe the Czech Republic sticks out as dark green "widely used", but none of the sources linked allow this conclusion.
  - cycrutchfield 6y ago
    Wow, I had no idea that HCQ truthers still existed. Got any real randomized controlled trials to share?
    - tboyd47 6y ago
      There are 4 on the website. But FYI, other types of studies besides RCTs are valuable in drawing conclusions, too. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/vaccine-randomized-clinical-trials https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/vaccine-rando...
pezo1919 6y ago
I am following the plot since Feb. This really can be the truth. Adding that HCQ was prohibited to use with remdesivir in serious cases so eventually there was less room on HCQ on that part as well because of remdesivir... Also ivermectin is not known with its ~100% early treatment success rate, wtf is going on.

tom_mellior 6y ago

> distract people from pursuing a treatment that the major pharmaceutical companies can't make any money on [...] No conspiracy theories You haven't come out and said it explicitly (despite being asked), so I'll say it explicitly and let you contradict me: You are a hydroxychloroquine truther. For some reason you believe it must be effective although there is no useful evidence for that either.

tboyd47 6y ago
I didn't know "hydroxychloroquine truther" was a thing. I do find the 142 positive studies to be compelling argument. The science does indeed seem to be in favor of the drug. But I'm not a doctor or researcher so my opinion is worthless. https://c19study.com https://c19study.com
- orwin 6y ago
  I can try to find you the French sources if you want, but Raoult did affirm around early june i think that the IFR for covid19 was 5 time inferior with HCQ and his protocol, with .7% IFR! The ARSGE later published a study that predicted .5% to .9% IFR in eastern France, and i think the CDC predicted .5% for the US.
  - cycrutchfield 6y ago
    To clarify, you are saying that Raoult's study is bogus right? Because I don't think he at any point ever did a real randomized controlled trial.
- tom_mellior 6y ago
  Last time I looked at that site, the first HCQ study I looked at was counted as positive although the study authors were clear that their results were negative: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730995 Interestingly, the site also seems to list Remdesivir as possibly useful, somewhat weakening your not-a-conspiracy-theory-just-pointing-out-"interesting"-observations. Also, the site made the country data at https://c19study.com/countries.html https://c19study.com/countries.html more respectable-looking since the last time I saw it, but the data quality still seems to be crap. In Central Europe the Czech Republic sticks out as dark green "widely used", but none of the sources linked allow this conclusion.
- cycrutchfield 6y ago
  Wow, I had no idea that HCQ truthers still existed. Got any real randomized controlled trials to share?
  - tboyd47 6y ago
    There are 4 on the website. But FYI, other types of studies besides RCTs are valuable in drawing conclusions, too. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/vaccine-randomized-clinical-trials https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/vaccine-rando...

pezo1919 6y ago

I am following the plot since Feb. This really can be the truth. Adding that HCQ was prohibited to use with remdesivir in serious cases so eventually there was less room on HCQ on that part as well because of remdesivir... Also ivermectin is not known with its ~100% early treatment success rate, wtf is going on.