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If you read further down the Twitter thread you’ll see others point out that AWS actually DID acknowledge him in the release and thus his original rant isn’t ac
by code4tee 6y ago
If you read further down the Twitter thread you’ll see others point out that AWS actually DID acknowledge him in the release and thus his original rant isn’t accurate. He acknowledges that later in the thread. Of course the, now inaccurate, headline Tweet remains the thing getting attention.
- simonw 6y agoI read the replies and I didn't see that tweet - can you link to it? Or are you talking about how if you download the Chrome extension and extract it you can see him referenced in NOTICES.txt? https://twitter.com/maxibanki/status/1317071448322789376 https://twitter.com/maxibanki/status/1317071448322789376
- jasode 6y ago>If you read further down the Twitter thread you’ll see others point out that AWS actually did acknowledge him in the release and thus his original rant isn’t accurate. He acknowledges that later in the thread. Thanks for informing us with the clarification. The original tweet was 11:16 UTC. This HN thread was submitted 11:23 UTC. That twitter reply showing the acknowledgement in "NOTICES.txt" was later at 11:54 UTC. https://twitter.com/maxibanki/status/1317071448322789376 https://twitter.com/maxibanki/status/1317071448322789376
- whoknew1122 6y agoI'm not sure the timeline is important, other than to say HN posters shouldn't submit incendiary tweets as HN topics without some sort of corroboration. Especially when the person who tweets and posts on HN are the same. Here's the timeline I saw: 11:16 - A person blames AWS of something without additional context and understanding 11:23 - Presumably the same person posts on HN (to signal boost? farm karma from the anti-Amazon crowd sure to pop up? both?) Never:Never - OP apologizes for rousing the HN pitchfork mob
- barkingcat 6y agoHacker news never reads original posts either way, let alone followups to original posts :) I'll be downvoted, but that's a symptom of how poorly the audience of this site understands the issues at hand. (myself included)
- chuckSu 6y agoThis!
- cutemonster 6y agoI read the original posts. In my experience, most people do.
- tingletech 6y agoI read the comments first, to decide if I want to read the post. But I read the post before I comment.
- duckerude 6y agoThey did the legal bare minimum in terms of attribution, but you're very unlikely to find it unless you're looking for it. I don't usually read through files like ~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/bhdnlmmgiplmbcdmkkdfplenecpegfno/0.0.1_0/NOTICE.txt (though perhaps I should).
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- prepend 6y agoThat’s to be expected then, the legal bare minimum.
- arbitrage 6y agoI had a professor, once, who chewed me out for submitting work at the deadline. I told them that if they wanted me to submit it on Thursday, they shouldn't've set the boundary for Friday at midnight. That didn't go over too well.
- JoeAltmaier 6y agoI'm surprised. A professor objected to a student adhering to the rules pedantically? What's University for!
- bonoboTP 6y agoInteresting cultural differences. In other places if you submit earlier than the deadline they assume you didn't care about it enough to use all available time to make it as good as possible.
- gus_massa 6y agoIn a somewhat similar scenario, we had some discussions about what "Friday midnight" means. So just to be super clear, we finally put "Thursday, 11pm".
- inopinatus 6y ago
- thatguyagain 6y agoAre people really expecting the devs at AWS to give a "thank you" to every third party developer out there who's code they use? This is just ridiculous. When does this become an obligation? Is there an unwritten rule of how large/successful a team has to be before they need to give thank's like this?
- amadeuspagel 6y agoI don't think you need to give a "thank you" in the announcement to every library you use, but if you have a product that's just a fork of an open source project, then, yes, I definitely think you should thank them in the announcement.
- steerablesafe 6y ago"thank you" is a pretty low price for software.
- sushicalculus 6y agoI think thatguyagain is making a good point about infinite regress. Should we all add a thank you to our github pages, thanking every dependency, library, framework, to Stroustrup, to Stallman, to Linus, and to John von Neumann?
- IggleSniggle 6y agoI’m with you on that one, but if you are literally just forking a package, rather than depending on a package, and rebranding it into your ecosystem, then a big “thank you for making this and making it open source” is appropriate.
- BeetleB 6y ago> then a big “thank you for making this and making it open source” is appropriate. As is not doing it. Perhaps you did not mean to use the word "appropriate"?
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- danmur 6y agoWhat a delightful storm in a teacup :)
- wpietri 6y agoI would hardly call that a rant. And I would hardly call a deeply buried source reference the kind of collegial social acknowledgement he was hoping for. So perhaps, as somebody very concerned about inaccuracy, you could correct your errors here?
- warkdarrior 6y ago> collegial social acknowledgement Business offering a software service and open-source developer are not colleagues. One is selling a service, the other is writing code, there is simply no comparison.
- wpietri 6y agoBusinesses aren't actors, they're fictions. Humans at businesses demonstrably do act as community members.
- serguzest 6y agohi! I want to work for amazon, can you forward my resume to your boss please?
- serguzest 6y agonegative feedbackers, please beware this is a sarcastic comment. I think the guy was manipulating the thread.
- thayne 6y agoAh, yes, he is acknowledged in a text file that almost no one will read. Obviously there is no legal requirement, but would it be that hard for Amazon to include a "forked from..." or "built off of...", etc. to the announcement and product pages, if it really is heavily based off of another work?
- franklampard 6y agoCan you show me an example of any other project released from FAANG doing that? Curious what the expectations are.
- Rebelgecko 6y agoThere's probably oodles. Off the top of my head, there's Apple's web page for X11. Except for a spinal tap joke, the whole first section of the page was devoted to the acknowledgement that they were building on top of OSS from XFree86.
- pwdisswordfish4 6y agoHell, can you show an example from the author's own company? That company's about page has a blurb on contributing back to open source that seems to be on par with what Amazon does to contribute to open source, and the author is sponsoring 4 people on GitHub, but where are the loud proclamations that people are clamoring for in this thread? Whose shoulders are being stood on there? Is checklyhq.com really running a SaaS offering without benefiting from many, many more people than the outward stance suggests? This whole thing is very reminiscent of the Occupy Wall Street movement. People are very sensitive to the injustices they perceive themselves as having to endure especially in relation to those wealthier than them. But where's the willingness to jump out of local scope and apply the same principle globally (and reflexively)? It seems to be absent.
- thayne 6y agoBlink? Not an exact parallel, but afaik, google clearly gave credit to webkit. And I think Apple gave credit to KHTML for Webkit (and in fact worked with the khtml team for a while). But even if FAANG don't typically give credit to projects they fork, that doesn't mean it is ok. That's like saying all the big political parties gerrymander, so gerrymandering is ok.