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Ahhh: 1. We must censor terror propaganda and child abuse to avoid harm & because it's the law 2. We must censor stormfront and the far right because it's the
by high_derivative 6y ago
Ahhh:
1. We must censor terror propaganda and child abuse to avoid harm & because it's the law
2. We must censor stormfront and the far right because it's the right thing to do
3. We must censor covid misinformation because it could kill people
4. We must selectively censor news reporting for political candidates we are aligned with because it's probably false.
---- we are here now
5. We must remove all news critical of our position .
6. We must actively force people to be re-educated to avoid harm.
7. We must exterminate dangerous elements.
The mental gymnastics used to justify this kind of censorship are frightening. Most news is full of inaccuracies and outright lies, from all sources.
- Ashanmaril 6y agoWoke people think they're Galileo but they're really the church The book burning going on lately is insane
- vharuck 6y agoEveryone thinks they're Galileo. Who would ever stay with the side they think is wrong and cruel? History (i.e. future opinions) will assign the labels.
- inglor_cz 6y agoGalileos tend to work alone or almost alone. If someone joins a mob against a single person, odds are that their self-identification as Galileo is ... unsound.
- dennnis 6y agoYeah.. you don't normally see mob's carrying out justice very well.
- NineStarPoint 6y agoReally, very few people are Galileo in modern America for the reason you listed. There are two massive groups of people against each other much more than there are individuals who almost everyone is against. Much more Red vs White army than Galileo against the Church.
- 75dvtwin 6y agoeveryone at twitter or FB content moderation roles, or execs -- think they are ethics luminaries and moral compases of the 21st century. Sort of the Supreme Court of ethics and moral judgment. Really the problem is not with liars, it is with liars that wield lots of influence, power -- and try to actively and systemically circumvent existing law.
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- lanstin 6y agoTwitter is not the government. Support decentralized messaging and publication platforms if you don’t like big winners having too much power.
- onepointsixC 6y agoYes. And unlike the Government, I an individual have no say in how Twitter operates. I have have no say in how Facebook operates. I have no say in how Google operates. Those three combine account for the overwhelming majority of the public square that is the internet. I cannot vote out the CEO of Twitter, Facebook, or Google because I think they are doing the wrong thing. This is worse, because individuals are powerless. And before you argue that people can go to their own websites, how is meaningfully different from Chinese citizens who use VPN's. After all they can still access information. In both cases it is near impossible for a message, movement, or anything else to grow without the use of the core popular platforms. And any message which could grow in other spaces would have the counter narrative pushed on the core platforms.
- lanstin 6y agoUmmm the early web is a counter example. Any one can publish a website. And a lot of the content that makes these monoliths popular is user generated - it could easily be captured by decentralized system. Put an Insta UI on email and make it cool. The whole American system says it is ok for successful companies to grow large and powerful. I personally wouldn’t mind some anti-trust actions, but even better would be for people to prefer non-mass media. Visit my website and listen to the guitarist at the local bar and watch indie films and read good books rather than popular books. But others have other preferences. Making real change is society is not the same as propagating memes or conspiracy theories - it takes time and effort and a lot of eyeball to eyeball persuasion. If you don’t like what Twitter is doing you can create a competitor, and make it popular. The difference is competition - if you persuade enough people, you can replace Twitter. If Twitter is anti-competitive then there is a legal recourse. If you fail to persuade people that twitters method of trying to encourage truth and virtue are bad, that is a fact of your social world. Try again or give up.
- Fauntleroy 6y agoThe "news" being censored is political misinformation being pushed by the NY Post of all places. I'd be alarmed if they were preventing anyone from posting about Donald Trump's sudden NBC townhall, not some obvious con thrown out by Giuliani to a tabloid of ill repute.
- mrkstu 6y agoSome, like Keith Olbermann are jumping straight to between 6 and 7: "Olbermann called for a wide range of Trump's "enablers" to be "prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society."" Including 'enablers' like Amy Coney Barrett. https://popculture.com/trending/news/keith-olbermann-raises-eyebrows-fiery-rant-against-donald-trump/ https://popculture.com/trending/news/keith-olbermann-raises-...
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoBush the elder wanted atheists deported so both sides have their share of lunacy.
- pnw_hazor 6y agoUnhinged entertainers is one thing, but it gets pretty scary when similar language is coming elected officials. "A county prosecutor has again denigrated constituents, this time with the alarming claim that we must “cleanse society” of the “diseased thinking” of Trump supporters." https://mynorthwest.com/2231869/rantz-county-prosecutor-cleanse-society-trump/ https://mynorthwest.com/2231869/rantz-county-prosecutor-clea... https://www.heraldnet.com/news/a-prosecutors-anti-trump-posts-anger-talk-radio-hosts/ https://www.heraldnet.com/news/a-prosecutors-anti-trump-post...
- deanCommie 6y agoOut of curiosity, where do you think the line SHOULD be? No, seriously. You have to draw the line somewhere, right? If your answer is "no, these platforms should be perfectly neutral", then are you okay with child pornography and terrorist beheadings in your feed? If you say no to this, and the answer is based on the law, what happens if the law is unethical and for example the Trump/Republican administration passes a law saying "Acknowledgement of the gay lifestyle is illegal" (a la Russia). Regardless of any political division there is a general humanistic "ethical line". It varies from person to person, but if you discount outright nazis and child pornographers generally we can find where that is. Why should a private corporation not choose where that ethical line is for it?
- colinmhayes 6y ago1. We can't censor because of slippery slope 2. Idiots elect clown because of propaganda 3. Hundreds of thousands of people die from preventable catastrophe. I don't disagree with you but this is not an acceptable answer.
- zests 6y agoIs Cuomo a clown elected by idiots who killed tens of thousands of people for his decision to have nursing homes take in COVID patients?
- xxpor 6y ago>Is Cuomo a clown elected by idiots Yes. Is he the same type of clown as Trump? No. But Cuomo's an idiot.
- isoskeles 6y agoCuomo is a center-left Democrat, how does that compare to Trump's alternative in 2016? Really it sounds like tens or hundreds of thousands of people could die during a pandemic, regardless of what effort goes into paving a politician's way into office with censorship.
- ModernMech 6y agoCuomo and DeBlasio made terrible decisions. But NY only accounts for 15% of US covid deaths. This is a nation-wide problem.
- fareesh 6y agoWhy is the percentage important? The principle is the same - bad decision, preventable. If the 15% was everyone you cared about perhaps you would not see it that way.
- ModernMech 6y agoI think maybe you are reading something into my statement that wasn't there, as people I do care about were in that 15%.The point is that this is a problem across the entire country - in red states and blue states, in states with Republican governors and with Democratic governors. America as a whole is experiencing this problem in a way no other country is, and I don't think it's Andrew Cuomo's fault.
- futureofaiisnot 6y agoOh wow, i get it there are loads of frustrated office workers spewing alt right drama in here...but now child abuse should not be ...”censored”? Dude this forum needs media attention asap.
- vehemenz 6y agoWho is we? Fox News has been at 6.5 since Bush Jr.
- djsumdog 6y agoAnd now we're at the flip side where the Clinton News Network, The Washington Compost and MSNBSee are all blatantly partition and have gone so far off the rails, they have news anchors who are saying that a protest is peaceful, while buildings and car dealerships are literally burning behind them .. on multiple occasions.
- samatman 6y agoPlease keep the Slashdot-era cutesy nicknames off HN. They undermine your argument, degrade the discourse, and have no place here.
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- voxgen 6y agoThe Murdoch news empire has fluctuated between 5 and 6 on that scale for as long as I can remember. Not trying to excuse Facebook and Twitter's behavior here, but let's not let social media become a scapegoat while News Corp continues to run rampant.