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The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked t

by zpeti 6y ago

The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Yeah. Accurate.

herbstein 6y ago
Well, the US does have the concentration camps at the border where forced surgeries and sterilizations are being performed.
- frequentnapper 6y ago
  On a massive scale? Proof?
- PopeDotNinja 6y ago
  And the entire prison system.
- chaostheory 6y ago
  Camps yes, but if you're going to be technical, it's actually spread through out the United States and not just at the border and it is bad when you compare it to other developed countries. Forced surgeries and sterilizations? For a claim like that, you're going to have to cite a credible source. As imperfect as we are, we're not as bad as China.
  - jskdvsksnb 6y ago
    > A report claims women in immigration centers are being given unnecessary procedures that can leave them unable to conceive. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/21/unwanted-hysterectomy-allegations-ice-georgia-immigration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/21/unwanted-hys...
    - chaostheory 6y ago
      That’s disturbing. Still, unlike in China there are lawmakers publicly trying to stop it, and we are free to speak & write about it and say that it’s wrong
      - akoncius 6y ago
        attempt is not same as elimination of problem. probably in China there are people who protest against persecution of uighurs too, but we don't see it.
        chaostheory 6y ago
        Yes and that’s a problem. The way to fix it is not part of the system and that’s a major issue. You need freedom of speech at a very minimum. China does not have that which is why “no one sees it”
- jiuahweruihawi 6y ago
  Those "concentration camps" (a ridiculous misuse of the term) only exist because people of all colors from all across the world are clamoring to move to the US for a better life. Someone had better get them the memo that the US is a tyrannical racist hellhole.
learnstats2 6y ago
When is it called a "prison" and when is it called a "concentration camp"?
- 542354234235 6y ago
  When the people did not break the law and were seeking legal asylum and when the President openly admits that imprisoning them and forcibly separating the children was to punish and discourage the completely legal asylum seekers. That’s the difference. > the children at a facility in Clint, Texas, were sleeping on concrete floors and being denied soap and toothpaste. They described “children as young as 7 and 8, many of them wearing clothes caked with snot and tears … caring for infants they’ve just met.” A visiting doctor called the detention centers “torture facilities.” At least seven children have died in U.S. custody in the past year, compared with none in the 10 years prior. More than 11,000* children are now being held by the U.S. government on any given day. > Chris Rickerd, a policy counsel at the ACLU. “But this all-encompassing skepticism of asylum seekers fleeing violence—justifying cruel treatment, justifying changes in the law, and justifying overcrowding to the point of unsafe and deadly conditions—[is] of a scale and a type that we haven’t seen before.” > The Trump administration has previously deliberately inflicted suffering on children to deter illegal immigration, with its use of family separation. It has altered immigration policy and the asylum process so as to force the authorities to hold migrants, whether they have properly sought asylum at a port of entry or crossed illegally [1] [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/border-facilities/593239/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/border-fac...
- arethuza 6y ago
  I believe the general definition of a "concentration camp" is: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
- akoncius 6y ago
  sad part in this question is "there is not much difference" because everything depends on what laws were broken to be put inside of that institution. you may have law which makes being muslim illegal and put in jail. and that jail will become "concentration camp", but only if you view it from outside of that country.
meiraleal 6y ago
> The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Yes, they are called ghettos. > Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Yes, it's called the prison system. > Where journalists repeteadly disappear? not only journalists, but political leaders, rappers, pastors, etc. > Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Well, that's the easiest one. The US is waging war against 3 or 4 African countries right now.
powerapple 6y ago
Probably because US just shoot them... not many native Americans, and the number of black lives are reducing when you white asses shoot them.
- giancarlostoro 6y ago
  As a minority in America I gotta say this is probably the most racist comment I have seen on HN. There is no need to call anybody out on their genetics. Its almost like people forget that absolutely nobody chooses to be born as a specified skin color or culture. Not every single "white" American is racist. That is more than absurd. Racism exists in other countries as well, we are so quick to forget Rwanda and other genocides.
Fricken 6y ago
The US has 2 million people locked in cages. If you seek the freedom to be locked in a cage, America is clearly the better country. Of course, America has a much higher crime rate. Those who enjoy the freedom of getting murdered are better off in the USA. The crackdown in Xinjiang is a response to terrorist attacks. Both America and China are pretty reliable for grossly disproportionate responses to terrorist attacks that ruin the lives of millions.
- wolfhumble 6y ago
  Where do you find confirmed information that 2 million people are locked in cages?
  - dr_dshiv 6y ago
    2.3 million, from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#:~:text=As%20of%202016%2C%202.3%20million,the%20world's%209.8%20million%20prisoners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_....
    - wolfhumble 6y ago
      Thanks for the link. That 2 million people seem to be arbitrarily thrown into cages – from what I can gather from the parents statement – threw me off.
jskdvsksnb 6y ago
> The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? What do you think the school-to-prison pipeline and legal prison labour amount to? Black, brown and native people being forced into slavery and imprisonment. Not to mention ICE detention camps. > Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Ever had to get a background check for a job? To rent a house? The only reason this is so visible in China is because it's foreign to us. We grew up with redlining and ghettos and mandatory minimums, so we don't even realize it's a different implementation of the same system
Miner49er 6y ago
> concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants Maybe not to the scale of China, but basically. They are prison, reservations, and immigration detention centers. > Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Again, not as bad in the US, probably, but we do have a credit system that can make it much more difficult for certain people to have a place to live, buy a car, or get a job. Add on the felony system, and we also take away their right to vote, and again make it harder for them to get good jobs. Finally, we even have a no-fly list. > Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Does that happen in China? A quick Google search didn't bring up much. I do agree that the US has more freedom of speech. > Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? We have and still regularly do this with treaties we made with Native American tribes.
eecc 6y ago
Not to defend China, but the restitution of HK was agreed since long ago. And it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back, the last symbol of British colonial domination and the defeat of the Opium War. Of course there’s no winner here, only losers...
- SteveSmith16384 6y ago
  > it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back Does that make it okay then?
  - eecc 6y ago
    > Of course there’s no winner here, only losers
boomboomsubban 6y ago
>The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system While not concentration camps, the US still does have residential schools where they put Native American children into Christian foster homes and educate them to follow our political system in public schools. Plus the church makes millions doing it. Certainly better, but still pretty terrible. > Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? The "Collateral Murder" is video evidence of the US killing journalists during their illegal invasion of a nation. You can disagree with my evaluation of those events, but it's hard to see how we have the moral high ground here.

by zpeti 6y ago

herbstein 6y ago

Well, the US does have the concentration camps at the border where forced surgeries and sterilizations are being performed.

frequentnapper 6y ago
On a massive scale? Proof?
PopeDotNinja 6y ago
And the entire prison system.
chaostheory 6y ago
Camps yes, but if you're going to be technical, it's actually spread through out the United States and not just at the border and it is bad when you compare it to other developed countries. Forced surgeries and sterilizations? For a claim like that, you're going to have to cite a credible source. As imperfect as we are, we're not as bad as China.
- jskdvsksnb 6y ago
  > A report claims women in immigration centers are being given unnecessary procedures that can leave them unable to conceive. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/21/unwanted-hysterectomy-allegations-ice-georgia-immigration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/21/unwanted-hys...
  - chaostheory 6y ago
    That’s disturbing. Still, unlike in China there are lawmakers publicly trying to stop it, and we are free to speak & write about it and say that it’s wrong
    - akoncius 6y ago
      attempt is not same as elimination of problem. probably in China there are people who protest against persecution of uighurs too, but we don't see it.
      - chaostheory 6y ago
        Yes and that’s a problem. The way to fix it is not part of the system and that’s a major issue. You need freedom of speech at a very minimum. China does not have that which is why “no one sees it”
jiuahweruihawi 6y ago
Those "concentration camps" (a ridiculous misuse of the term) only exist because people of all colors from all across the world are clamoring to move to the US for a better life. Someone had better get them the memo that the US is a tyrannical racist hellhole.

learnstats2 6y ago

When is it called a "prison" and when is it called a "concentration camp"?

542354234235 6y ago
When the people did not break the law and were seeking legal asylum and when the President openly admits that imprisoning them and forcibly separating the children was to punish and discourage the completely legal asylum seekers. That’s the difference. > the children at a facility in Clint, Texas, were sleeping on concrete floors and being denied soap and toothpaste. They described “children as young as 7 and 8, many of them wearing clothes caked with snot and tears … caring for infants they’ve just met.” A visiting doctor called the detention centers “torture facilities.” At least seven children have died in U.S. custody in the past year, compared with none in the 10 years prior. More than 11,000* children are now being held by the U.S. government on any given day. > Chris Rickerd, a policy counsel at the ACLU. “But this all-encompassing skepticism of asylum seekers fleeing violence—justifying cruel treatment, justifying changes in the law, and justifying overcrowding to the point of unsafe and deadly conditions—[is] of a scale and a type that we haven’t seen before.” > The Trump administration has previously deliberately inflicted suffering on children to deter illegal immigration, with its use of family separation. It has altered immigration policy and the asylum process so as to force the authorities to hold migrants, whether they have properly sought asylum at a port of entry or crossed illegally [1] [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/border-facilities/593239/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/border-fac...
arethuza 6y ago
I believe the general definition of a "concentration camp" is: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
akoncius 6y ago
sad part in this question is "there is not much difference" because everything depends on what laws were broken to be put inside of that institution. you may have law which makes being muslim illegal and put in jail. and that jail will become "concentration camp", but only if you view it from outside of that country.

meiraleal 6y ago

> The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Yes, they are called ghettos. > Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Yes, it's called the prison system. > Where journalists repeteadly disappear? not only journalists, but political leaders, rappers, pastors, etc. > Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Well, that's the easiest one. The US is waging war against 3 or 4 African countries right now.

powerapple 6y ago

Probably because US just shoot them... not many native Americans, and the number of black lives are reducing when you white asses shoot them.

giancarlostoro 6y ago
As a minority in America I gotta say this is probably the most racist comment I have seen on HN. There is no need to call anybody out on their genetics. Its almost like people forget that absolutely nobody chooses to be born as a specified skin color or culture. Not every single "white" American is racist. That is more than absurd. Racism exists in other countries as well, we are so quick to forget Rwanda and other genocides.

Fricken 6y ago

The US has 2 million people locked in cages. If you seek the freedom to be locked in a cage, America is clearly the better country. Of course, America has a much higher crime rate. Those who enjoy the freedom of getting murdered are better off in the USA. The crackdown in Xinjiang is a response to terrorist attacks. Both America and China are pretty reliable for grossly disproportionate responses to terrorist attacks that ruin the lives of millions.

wolfhumble 6y ago
Where do you find confirmed information that 2 million people are locked in cages?
- dr_dshiv 6y ago
  2.3 million, from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#:~:text=As%20of%202016%2C%202.3%20million,the%20world's%209.8%20million%20prisoners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_....
  - wolfhumble 6y ago
    Thanks for the link. That 2 million people seem to be arbitrarily thrown into cages – from what I can gather from the parents statement – threw me off.

jskdvsksnb 6y ago

> The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? What do you think the school-to-prison pipeline and legal prison labour amount to? Black, brown and native people being forced into slavery and imprisonment. Not to mention ICE detention camps. > Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Ever had to get a background check for a job? To rent a house? The only reason this is so visible in China is because it's foreign to us. We grew up with redlining and ghettos and mandatory minimums, so we don't even realize it's a different implementation of the same system

Miner49er 6y ago

> concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants Maybe not to the scale of China, but basically. They are prison, reservations, and immigration detention centers. > Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Again, not as bad in the US, probably, but we do have a credit system that can make it much more difficult for certain people to have a place to live, buy a car, or get a job. Add on the felony system, and we also take away their right to vote, and again make it harder for them to get good jobs. Finally, we even have a no-fly list. > Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Does that happen in China? A quick Google search didn't bring up much. I do agree that the US has more freedom of speech. > Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? We have and still regularly do this with treaties we made with Native American tribes.

eecc 6y ago

Not to defend China, but the restitution of HK was agreed since long ago. And it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back, the last symbol of British colonial domination and the defeat of the Opium War. Of course there’s no winner here, only losers...

SteveSmith16384 6y ago
> it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back Does that make it okay then?
- eecc 6y ago
  > Of course there’s no winner here, only losers

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system While not concentration camps, the US still does have residential schools where they put Native American children into Christian foster homes and educate them to follow our political system in public schools. Plus the church makes millions doing it. Certainly better, but still pretty terrible. > Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? The "Collateral Murder" is video evidence of the US killing journalists during their illegal invasion of a nation. You can disagree with my evaluation of those events, but it's hard to see how we have the moral high ground here.