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Interesting. Do you apply this to all platforms? If a supermarket sells products that you like, alongside products you don't like, do you stop shopping there?

paulcole 6y ago
Believe it or not you don’t have to apply the most extreme form of your belief system across every aspect of your life. I eat a plant based diet but I still shop at a grocery store that has a butcher counter, for example.
alkonaut 6y ago
Not the GP, but yes, definitely. If a store or brand has collaborations with the wrong people etc., that's definitely a reason to not shop there. I don't find Joe Rogan terrible enough to cancel my spotify subscription, but if they started collaborating with say Alex Jones, I'd find another streaming service in a heartbeat.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  One day you'll grow up and realize over half the things you buy have something immoral attached to it.
- tomjen3 6y ago
  Alex Jones has been on Joe Rogan.
  - alkonaut 6y ago
    Yes, which is one reason I dislike Rogan. However, Spotify and Jones aren't in direct business (making money off their business deal together). I'm fine with Spotify and Rogan doing business. It's not that I go around worrying about what's said in every song and podcast on Spotify, it's rather whether I agree with Spotify's business practices or not. I wish Spotify told Rogan to stop having conspiracy theorists on his show (unless they are critically exposed), but I don't consider Alex Jones as being a part of Spotify's business model because he is a guest in one of their pods.
  - callamdelaney 6y ago
    Are they the same person?
    - Threeve303 6y ago
      Not sure... Has anyone ever seem them in the same place at the same time?
tobr 6y ago
Are you trying to give the impression that you‘ve never heard of boycotting before?
loopdoend 6y ago
Why yes, I do apply the same purity test in every aspect of my life. Your analogy is intellectually dishonest and uninspired.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  Are you not extremely limited then?
orwin 6y ago
I don/t think the supermarket is a good example, but if a branch company made a product that i see as harmless, i would stop buying from all the other branch. Kinda hard to do grocery shopping without Nestlé and Lactalis, but i somehow manage.
ceejayoz 6y ago
https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ There's a bit of difference between "my grocery store sells seaweed snacks and I don't like them" and "this company gave $100M to someone problematic".
- pmarreck 6y ago
  > "someone problematic" hahahaha this BS again. God forbid someone has an opinion different from you or, even more indirectly, hosts someone with an opinion different from you.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > God forbid someone has an opinion different from you... My opinion is that Rogan is problematic. You needn't share it, but you appear to endorse my right to hold that opinion, while simultaneously telling me to "get the fuck out"? I'm somewhat confused.
    - tachion 6y ago
      Out of pure curiosity, what's wrong with him? I don't feel his vibe so I never got into listening to him, but I was under impression he's popular and quite liked.
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        Yes, he has one of the most popular podcasts in the world. But if you are involved in particular political flavors, you might deem him as "problematic" because he hosts guests who you also deem so, even though objectively speaking, his guests are generally very diverse and his own political opinions are pretty mainstream.
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        It's like people's feelings on Ben Shapiro. If you are center or right, he seems like a smart young feller. If you are sufficiently left, you can't stand him and he seems detestable.
tomjen3 6y ago
I wouldn't, but realistically all supermarkets sell so many products that you are bound to find something you object to, if only in the book or newspaper stand.
matthewmacleod 6y ago
Yes, why is this weird to you? If a supermarket were out there promoting… I dunno, their range of confederate flags or something, I’d probably choose not to shop there.
- rbecker 6y ago
  What if they were promoting a company that funds misleading nutrition research to fool people into thinking sugar is less harmful, leading to countless early deaths and diabetes? What about a company that's the largest plastic polluter in the world, that also lobbies to kill regulation to reduce plastic pollution? It's hard to know the full extent of the harm microplastics cause the ecosystem, but it's unlikely to be small. How far do you have to drive to find a supermarket that doesn't sell Coca-Cola? Or is that not worth the same level of condemnation as interviewing the wrong person?
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > How far do you have to drive to find a supermarket that doesn't sell Coca-Cola? Sounds like you've identified the key difference on your own? Spotify can be avoided. Groceries largely cannot. (There's also a difference in revenue model. You can't subscribe to Spotify without part of that money going to Rogan. You can skip Coca-Cola products at the grocery store and ensure the companies you don't like see $0 from you.)
    - rbecker 6y ago
      > You can't subscribe to Spotify without part of that money going to Rogan. Can't you? Rogan's compensation isn't based on Spotify's total profits, and if you don't listen to him, you won't be contributing to his audience size either, and Spotify will be able to see that in their metrics. If tomorrow Spotify gains 100 million new users, that then never listen to a single Rogan episode, how would that increase Rogan's compensation?
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        Are you genuinely unable to see the difference between the two revenue models? I'm really not all that interested in absurd hypotheticals. If I buy a Coke at my grocery store, Coke's getting some of that money. If I buy a Pepsi, Coke gets none of that. I can boycott specific companies while still buying groceries, and again, opting out of food is an issue. If Rogan were an optional premium paid add-on channel on Spotify, the two would be far more comparable.
vikramkr 6y ago
You sound like you've never heard of boycotting. Yes, that what you described is how boycotting works. It's a very common thing. It ranges from civil rights activists boycotting segregated buses to religious conservatives boycotting stores that sell birth control/plan B to people using lyft instead of uber because of all the issues at uber. One of my friends refused to buy milk from Oberweis, a dairy company in the Chicago area, because they discriminated against polish immigrants like his grandparents way back when, so his family had decided to boycott them forever. This is not some sort of new concept.

paulcole 6y ago

Believe it or not you don’t have to apply the most extreme form of your belief system across every aspect of your life. I eat a plant based diet but I still shop at a grocery store that has a butcher counter, for example.

alkonaut 6y ago

Not the GP, but yes, definitely. If a store or brand has collaborations with the wrong people etc., that's definitely a reason to not shop there. I don't find Joe Rogan terrible enough to cancel my spotify subscription, but if they started collaborating with say Alex Jones, I'd find another streaming service in a heartbeat.

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
One day you'll grow up and realize over half the things you buy have something immoral attached to it.
tomjen3 6y ago
Alex Jones has been on Joe Rogan.
- alkonaut 6y ago
  Yes, which is one reason I dislike Rogan. However, Spotify and Jones aren't in direct business (making money off their business deal together). I'm fine with Spotify and Rogan doing business. It's not that I go around worrying about what's said in every song and podcast on Spotify, it's rather whether I agree with Spotify's business practices or not. I wish Spotify told Rogan to stop having conspiracy theorists on his show (unless they are critically exposed), but I don't consider Alex Jones as being a part of Spotify's business model because he is a guest in one of their pods.
- callamdelaney 6y ago
  Are they the same person?
  - Threeve303 6y ago
    Not sure... Has anyone ever seem them in the same place at the same time?

tobr 6y ago

Are you trying to give the impression that you‘ve never heard of boycotting before?

loopdoend 6y ago

Why yes, I do apply the same purity test in every aspect of my life. Your analogy is intellectually dishonest and uninspired.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago
Are you not extremely limited then?

orwin 6y ago

I don/t think the supermarket is a good example, but if a branch company made a product that i see as harmless, i would stop buying from all the other branch. Kinda hard to do grocery shopping without Nestlé and Lactalis, but i somehow manage.

ceejayoz 6y ago

https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ There's a bit of difference between "my grocery store sells seaweed snacks and I don't like them" and "this company gave $100M to someone problematic".

pmarreck 6y ago
> "someone problematic" hahahaha this BS again. God forbid someone has an opinion different from you or, even more indirectly, hosts someone with an opinion different from you.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > God forbid someone has an opinion different from you... My opinion is that Rogan is problematic. You needn't share it, but you appear to endorse my right to hold that opinion, while simultaneously telling me to "get the fuck out"? I'm somewhat confused.
  - tachion 6y ago
    Out of pure curiosity, what's wrong with him? I don't feel his vibe so I never got into listening to him, but I was under impression he's popular and quite liked.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      Yes, he has one of the most popular podcasts in the world. But if you are involved in particular political flavors, you might deem him as "problematic" because he hosts guests who you also deem so, even though objectively speaking, his guests are generally very diverse and his own political opinions are pretty mainstream.
    - pmarreck 6y ago
      It's like people's feelings on Ben Shapiro. If you are center or right, he seems like a smart young feller. If you are sufficiently left, you can't stand him and he seems detestable.

tomjen3 6y ago

I wouldn't, but realistically all supermarkets sell so many products that you are bound to find something you object to, if only in the book or newspaper stand.

matthewmacleod 6y ago

Yes, why is this weird to you? If a supermarket were out there promoting… I dunno, their range of confederate flags or something, I’d probably choose not to shop there.

rbecker 6y ago
What if they were promoting a company that funds misleading nutrition research to fool people into thinking sugar is less harmful, leading to countless early deaths and diabetes? What about a company that's the largest plastic polluter in the world, that also lobbies to kill regulation to reduce plastic pollution? It's hard to know the full extent of the harm microplastics cause the ecosystem, but it's unlikely to be small. How far do you have to drive to find a supermarket that doesn't sell Coca-Cola? Or is that not worth the same level of condemnation as interviewing the wrong person?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > How far do you have to drive to find a supermarket that doesn't sell Coca-Cola? Sounds like you've identified the key difference on your own? Spotify can be avoided. Groceries largely cannot. (There's also a difference in revenue model. You can't subscribe to Spotify without part of that money going to Rogan. You can skip Coca-Cola products at the grocery store and ensure the companies you don't like see $0 from you.)
  - rbecker 6y ago
    > You can't subscribe to Spotify without part of that money going to Rogan. Can't you? Rogan's compensation isn't based on Spotify's total profits, and if you don't listen to him, you won't be contributing to his audience size either, and Spotify will be able to see that in their metrics. If tomorrow Spotify gains 100 million new users, that then never listen to a single Rogan episode, how would that increase Rogan's compensation?
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      Are you genuinely unable to see the difference between the two revenue models? I'm really not all that interested in absurd hypotheticals. If I buy a Coke at my grocery store, Coke's getting some of that money. If I buy a Pepsi, Coke gets none of that. I can boycott specific companies while still buying groceries, and again, opting out of food is an issue. If Rogan were an optional premium paid add-on channel on Spotify, the two would be far more comparable.

vikramkr 6y ago

You sound like you've never heard of boycotting. Yes, that what you described is how boycotting works. It's a very common thing. It ranges from civil rights activists boycotting segregated buses to religious conservatives boycotting stores that sell birth control/plan B to people using lyft instead of uber because of all the issues at uber. One of my friends refused to buy milk from Oberweis, a dairy company in the Chicago area, because they discriminated against polish immigrants like his grandparents way back when, so his family had decided to boycott them forever. This is not some sort of new concept.