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Perfect, I have been wanting to get off of Spotify ever since they teamed up with Joe Rogan.

by loopdoend 6y ago

ddorian43 6y ago
... why ? Isn't Joe Rogan pro Bernie as an example ?
- calvano915 6y ago
  Unfortunately the longer time passes, Rogan is pro and against and in between on everything. He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. Its been incredibly disappointing that he has gotten so out of touch with the style and approach that gained him his podcast prestige.
  - ddorian43 6y ago
    Do you include the "trans" stuff here ?
    - calvano915 6y ago
      Sure, though his position hasn't changed much on trans. I've always agreed with him that people who switch genders shouldn't be treated equally when it comes to contact sports like UFC. He's just been more distasteful about discussing it over time IMO. If I had to sum up how Rogan has changed, he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything, and believe that everything always deserves criticism while rarely deserving to be taken seriously. Though age is a factor, I think his FU money and success has completely gotten to his head. I was a fan for years from about episode 50, but rarely listen/watch now. His exclusivity is not a factor keeping me subscribed if I consider leaving Spotify in the future.
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        > he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything This smacks of ageism AND sexism, all at once! Congratulations, you've violated your own morality code. And you were SO close to the -ism hat trick, had you only referred to him as an "older white man" ;) It took a while for gay marriage to become broadly accepted. Trans is fighting the same battle now. He's a very typical older cismale and this population segment is, by and large, just not going to "get it" yet.
        calvano915 6y ago
        I don't think it's just confined to white older men, rather old men generally as I stated. Not an absolute either, as I stated "many" and not "all". I'm not going to pretend that the majority of progressive minds are concentrated in the older populace, because constantly I find life experience to demonstrate otherwise. I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. I think everyone deserves to be treated with decency and respect, while also believing there is plenty to discuss about the moral and ethical aspects of hormone treatment (particularly during childhood), genderless bathrooms, etc.
        pmarreck 6y ago
        > I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. There are questions that are easy to answer that you have touched on such as bathrooms (just make them all solo and genderless), and decency/respect (give it to everyone, obviously). There are also FAR more difficult questions to answer such as, how to treat the gender separation in sports and where trans fits in there “fairly”? What to do if there is post-surgery regret? Why can a person consent to a drastic and permanent gender/sex change operation (the effects of some hormones at certain ages is irreversible) while being unable to consent to sex itself? (this is not an appeal to pedophilia as much as it is one of non-hypocrisy).
  - pmarreck 6y ago
    > He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. So your argument is basically "this person is somewhere else on the political spectrum than I am, therefore he must be cancelled from Spotify"?
    - calvano915 6y ago
      So, I didn't say anything about cancelling Rogan from Spotify. I think Spotify overspent on him but I could care less that they did. And my argument is that Rogan used to lean left in his own views, but was tolerant overall for the majority of the bell curve. Now, Rogan has shifted rightward personally, but has abandoned giving due time and thought to much of the left side of the bell curve. He's more narrow minded and quick to criticize what were previously ideas and arguments that deserved to be taken seriously (and still do).
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        Were the criticisms rational, or merely distasteful?
costcopizza 6y ago
Interesting. Do you apply this to all platforms? If a supermarket sells products that you like, alongside products you don't like, do you stop shopping there?
- paulcole 6y ago
  Believe it or not you don’t have to apply the most extreme form of your belief system across every aspect of your life. I eat a plant based diet but I still shop at a grocery store that has a butcher counter, for example.
- alkonaut 6y ago
  Not the GP, but yes, definitely. If a store or brand has collaborations with the wrong people etc., that's definitely a reason to not shop there. I don't find Joe Rogan terrible enough to cancel my spotify subscription, but if they started collaborating with say Alex Jones, I'd find another streaming service in a heartbeat.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
    One day you'll grow up and realize over half the things you buy have something immoral attached to it.
  - tomjen3 6y ago
    Alex Jones has been on Joe Rogan.
    - alkonaut 6y ago
      Yes, which is one reason I dislike Rogan. However, Spotify and Jones aren't in direct business (making money off their business deal together). I'm fine with Spotify and Rogan doing business. It's not that I go around worrying about what's said in every song and podcast on Spotify, it's rather whether I agree with Spotify's business practices or not. I wish Spotify told Rogan to stop having conspiracy theorists on his show (unless they are critically exposed), but I don't consider Alex Jones as being a part of Spotify's business model because he is a guest in one of their pods.
pmarreck 6y ago
Except that there is nothing wrong with Joe Rogan. Not liking someone (or one of their guests) is a really terrible and irrational reason to not use an entire platform.
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  Feeling that a platform invests in or promotes dangerous or harmful content is a totally valid reason to want to use that platform less, or to stop giving them money. Really super strange that you don’t immediately see that.
  - pmarreck 6y ago
    Please show me where Rogan promotes "dangerous or harmful content". Also show how mere information can be harmful. Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      > Also show how mere information can be harmful. Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes. > Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better. There are substantially better ways to understand Nazism than reading Mein Kampf.
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        > Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes Fair rebuttal, although in a population that has been taught how to think critically (not ours, unfortunately), this might be far less of an issue

Perfect, I have been wanting to get off of Spotify ever since they teamed up with Joe Rogan.

ddorian43 6y ago

... why ? Isn't Joe Rogan pro Bernie as an example ?

calvano915 6y ago
Unfortunately the longer time passes, Rogan is pro and against and in between on everything. He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. Its been incredibly disappointing that he has gotten so out of touch with the style and approach that gained him his podcast prestige.
- ddorian43 6y ago
  Do you include the "trans" stuff here ?
  - calvano915 6y ago
    Sure, though his position hasn't changed much on trans. I've always agreed with him that people who switch genders shouldn't be treated equally when it comes to contact sports like UFC. He's just been more distasteful about discussing it over time IMO. If I had to sum up how Rogan has changed, he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything, and believe that everything always deserves criticism while rarely deserving to be taken seriously. Though age is a factor, I think his FU money and success has completely gotten to his head. I was a fan for years from about episode 50, but rarely listen/watch now. His exclusivity is not a factor keeping me subscribed if I consider leaving Spotify in the future.
    - pmarreck 6y ago
      > he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything This smacks of ageism AND sexism, all at once! Congratulations, you've violated your own morality code. And you were SO close to the -ism hat trick, had you only referred to him as an "older white man" ;) It took a while for gay marriage to become broadly accepted. Trans is fighting the same battle now. He's a very typical older cismale and this population segment is, by and large, just not going to "get it" yet.
      - calvano915 6y ago
        I don't think it's just confined to white older men, rather old men generally as I stated. Not an absolute either, as I stated "many" and not "all". I'm not going to pretend that the majority of progressive minds are concentrated in the older populace, because constantly I find life experience to demonstrate otherwise. I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. I think everyone deserves to be treated with decency and respect, while also believing there is plenty to discuss about the moral and ethical aspects of hormone treatment (particularly during childhood), genderless bathrooms, etc.
        pmarreck 6y ago
        > I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. There are questions that are easy to answer that you have touched on such as bathrooms (just make them all solo and genderless), and decency/respect (give it to everyone, obviously). There are also FAR more difficult questions to answer such as, how to treat the gender separation in sports and where trans fits in there “fairly”? What to do if there is post-surgery regret? Why can a person consent to a drastic and permanent gender/sex change operation (the effects of some hormones at certain ages is irreversible) while being unable to consent to sex itself? (this is not an appeal to pedophilia as much as it is one of non-hypocrisy).
- pmarreck 6y ago
  > He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. So your argument is basically "this person is somewhere else on the political spectrum than I am, therefore he must be cancelled from Spotify"?
  - calvano915 6y ago
    So, I didn't say anything about cancelling Rogan from Spotify. I think Spotify overspent on him but I could care less that they did. And my argument is that Rogan used to lean left in his own views, but was tolerant overall for the majority of the bell curve. Now, Rogan has shifted rightward personally, but has abandoned giving due time and thought to much of the left side of the bell curve. He's more narrow minded and quick to criticize what were previously ideas and arguments that deserved to be taken seriously (and still do).
    - pmarreck 6y ago
      Were the criticisms rational, or merely distasteful?

costcopizza 6y ago

Interesting. Do you apply this to all platforms? If a supermarket sells products that you like, alongside products you don't like, do you stop shopping there?

paulcole 6y ago
Believe it or not you don’t have to apply the most extreme form of your belief system across every aspect of your life. I eat a plant based diet but I still shop at a grocery store that has a butcher counter, for example.
alkonaut 6y ago
Not the GP, but yes, definitely. If a store or brand has collaborations with the wrong people etc., that's definitely a reason to not shop there. I don't find Joe Rogan terrible enough to cancel my spotify subscription, but if they started collaborating with say Alex Jones, I'd find another streaming service in a heartbeat.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  One day you'll grow up and realize over half the things you buy have something immoral attached to it.
- tomjen3 6y ago
  Alex Jones has been on Joe Rogan.
  - alkonaut 6y ago
    Yes, which is one reason I dislike Rogan. However, Spotify and Jones aren't in direct business (making money off their business deal together). I'm fine with Spotify and Rogan doing business. It's not that I go around worrying about what's said in every song and podcast on Spotify, it's rather whether I agree with Spotify's business practices or not. I wish Spotify told Rogan to stop having conspiracy theorists on his show (unless they are critically exposed), but I don't consider Alex Jones as being a part of Spotify's business model because he is a guest in one of their pods.

pmarreck 6y ago

Except that there is nothing wrong with Joe Rogan. Not liking someone (or one of their guests) is a really terrible and irrational reason to not use an entire platform.

matthewmacleod 6y ago
Feeling that a platform invests in or promotes dangerous or harmful content is a totally valid reason to want to use that platform less, or to stop giving them money. Really super strange that you don’t immediately see that.
- pmarreck 6y ago
  Please show me where Rogan promotes "dangerous or harmful content". Also show how mere information can be harmful. Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > Also show how mere information can be harmful. Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes. > Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better. There are substantially better ways to understand Nazism than reading Mein Kampf.
    - pmarreck 6y ago
      > Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes Fair rebuttal, although in a population that has been taught how to think critically (not ours, unfortunately), this might be far less of an issue