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because nothing is this world is truly unlimited - not even the universe read "unlimited" as "cover 99.999% of typical client storage needs".

by ddalex 6y ago

brnt 6y ago
Then advertise your service correctly and honestly. Please do not implicitly redefine perfectly fine dictionary words.
- ddalex 6y ago
  One needs to do this because - should one say, for example, "100Tb" - this means very little for "regular people". If far easier to say "so much that you don't have to worry about it" " as long as you are decent about it". And then a small minority of users take to the literal dictionary definition - which one is allowed to, which gave birth to vast amounts on legalese on the wrapping bags of sandwiches - and start to scream "you're not truly >UNLIMITED< you owe me". And then the provider - which assumed common sense - sees that the common sense is not to be taken for granted, and starts to spell more legalese and then starts enforcing limits which are now laid out but perhaps not enforced from the start, because it assumed that people would know how to read between the lines. But said minority doesn't know how to read through the lines and then starts to search for workarounds around the limits, forcing the provider to drop in even harder limits, which affects EVERYBODY because some people need to go through life with a fine tooth comb that exploits each little thing that they can. So this is the difference between a high trust society and a low trust society - the level of hard enforcement of rules because people will try to exploit even the smallest thing.
  - brnt 6y ago
    Implicitly redefining words is a dishonest way to solve your marketing challenges. Spinning this into trust is hilarious; I think I'd be wasting my time explaining the hypocrisy in your post. If you treat your customers as morons maybe you should expect to attract morons?
Dylan16807 6y ago
"Typical" is doing a lot of work there. How do I know what you think is typical? What if it's only 1TB? And if you say "99.999% of client storage needs", that's probably a bigger number than you think and it's hard for me to figure out what the number is.
- ddalex 6y ago
  why do you need to figure out what that number is? Just use the storage as intended - for your daily needs. Daily needs do not include a content mirror for pirate bay, or archiving every twitch stream in existence. Use it in good faith, and if people think you're using too much they will send in a salesman, not the enforcing agents.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    If I can really trust their statistics, it's fine. But without knowing the number that's a nagging worry at the back of my mind. Because if we look at the new numbers they think are reasonable, 1TB or 5TB per user, that's not enough to hold normal backups of my data. Sending in a saleman instead of an enforcing agent isn't much better if the salesman wants me to pay $100 a month. You used the example of 100TB in another comment. I think 100TB would be a reasonable standin for unlimited when it comes to a single user. But would it be so hard to just say that somewhere? Maybe throttle uploads after that point? Instead you have one guy using 20TB per account and one guy using 2PB per account and they both get screwed by the change.

because nothing is this world is truly unlimited - not even the universe read "unlimited" as "cover 99.999% of typical client storage needs".

by ddalex 6y ago

because nothing is this world is truly unlimited - not even the universe read "unlimited" as "cover 99.999% of typical client storage needs".

brnt 6y ago

Then advertise your service correctly and honestly. Please do not implicitly redefine perfectly fine dictionary words.

ddalex 6y ago
One needs to do this because - should one say, for example, "100Tb" - this means very little for "regular people". If far easier to say "so much that you don't have to worry about it" " as long as you are decent about it". And then a small minority of users take to the literal dictionary definition - which one is allowed to, which gave birth to vast amounts on legalese on the wrapping bags of sandwiches - and start to scream "you're not truly >UNLIMITED< you owe me". And then the provider - which assumed common sense - sees that the common sense is not to be taken for granted, and starts to spell more legalese and then starts enforcing limits which are now laid out but perhaps not enforced from the start, because it assumed that people would know how to read between the lines. But said minority doesn't know how to read through the lines and then starts to search for workarounds around the limits, forcing the provider to drop in even harder limits, which affects EVERYBODY because some people need to go through life with a fine tooth comb that exploits each little thing that they can. So this is the difference between a high trust society and a low trust society - the level of hard enforcement of rules because people will try to exploit even the smallest thing.
- brnt 6y ago
  Implicitly redefining words is a dishonest way to solve your marketing challenges. Spinning this into trust is hilarious; I think I'd be wasting my time explaining the hypocrisy in your post. If you treat your customers as morons maybe you should expect to attract morons?

Dylan16807 6y ago

"Typical" is doing a lot of work there. How do I know what you think is typical? What if it's only 1TB? And if you say "99.999% of client storage needs", that's probably a bigger number than you think and it's hard for me to figure out what the number is.

ddalex 6y ago
why do you need to figure out what that number is? Just use the storage as intended - for your daily needs. Daily needs do not include a content mirror for pirate bay, or archiving every twitch stream in existence. Use it in good faith, and if people think you're using too much they will send in a salesman, not the enforcing agents.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  If I can really trust their statistics, it's fine. But without knowing the number that's a nagging worry at the back of my mind. Because if we look at the new numbers they think are reasonable, 1TB or 5TB per user, that's not enough to hold normal backups of my data. Sending in a saleman instead of an enforcing agent isn't much better if the salesman wants me to pay $100 a month. You used the example of 100TB in another comment. I think 100TB would be a reasonable standin for unlimited when it comes to a single user. But would it be so hard to just say that somewhere? Maybe throttle uploads after that point? Instead you have one guy using 20TB per account and one guy using 2PB per account and they both get screwed by the change.