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I think if you work at Facebook, I wonder how you can live with yourself, helping to make the world a worse place. Having worked at Facebook should make you a

I think if you work at Facebook, I wonder how you can live with yourself, helping to make the world a worse place. Having worked at Facebook should make you a paria, nobody should hire you. Facebook should be a stain on your resume.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago
And where do you work? I can probably (almost certainly) find serious ethical lapses in your company, if it's large and/or has been around for a long time. Shaming people based on their perceived associations is just wrong, no matter what those associations.
- louwrentius 6y ago
  I won't disclose that but rest assured, I don't work at Facebook or any other similar style company that is a detriment to a stable society. If you work at Facebook, I despise you. (you in the general sense) The foundation of the company is a guy who thought it was OK to create website to rate women. Fucking degenerate people.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    Can you explain (with links please) how Facebook is a "detriment to a stable society". > If you work at Facebook, I despise you. (you in the general sense) I think that is massive hyperbole. Do you despise all the people who work for oil companies also? What about everyone who works for Nestle (all the pushing of formula milk in Africa that led to the deaths of babies), I mean where does it all stop? > The foundation of the company is a guy who thought it was OK to create website to rate women. Fucking degenerate people. He was a 19 year old man at this point (and I'm not even sure that happened anywhere except The Social Network). I'm pretty sure lots of 19 year old males have done things similarly except no one cares, because they're not billionaires.
- callmeal 6y ago
  >Shaming people based on their perceived associations is just wrong, no matter what those associations. Uh, there's a whole group of people at the end of WWII who would disagree with you.
  - piokoch 6y ago
    I think there is some difference between working as a guard in concentration camp and as a toilet cleaner or programmer in HSBC, although HSBC bank was laundering money for drug cartels that also murder people.
  - chillacy 6y ago
    Unless they were useful, then in that case their associations suddenly didn't matter... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
- snakeboy 6y ago
  > if it's large and/or has been around for a long time So why not work for a smaller company with values and a history that you can respect? You make it sound like in a capitalist society we have to sell our souls to a big evil company. Software developers (especially ones have the skills to work for facebook) can work literally anywhere. Lots of them start their own companies. There's simply no excuse for contributing to the success of companies whose values and actions you can't personally endorse and stand behind. Of course I'm not gonna resent some dude working at McDonalds for contributing to the obesity epidemic, but software developers just don't have any excuse.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    Firstly, I'm arguing the general point. Secondly, I'm not a software developer (well maybe I'm slowly becoming one, but it's not my job title). Thirdly, I have looked for ethical companies who'll pay me to analyse data, and I am yet to find any industries that don't have ethical issues. I'm not sure what makes Facebook special in this sense (do you feel the same way about Google, Snap, Twitter and TikTok?).
jiuahweruihawi 6y ago
I've long viewed working for Facebook (or Twitter) as like working for a cigarette company. Your product makes the world a worse place and everything would be better if your company disappeared, but hey, something's gotta pay the rent I guess?
- robertlagrant 6y ago
  I'm amazed that in a global lockdown, where digital communication and connection are more important than ever, that you see only negative benefit to users in Facebook.
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  - smolder 6y ago
    Yes, because Facebook's actual value is trivial to recreate apart from the network effect, and they do their worst to make the site inhospitable. It is worse to use Facebook than abandon it for almost any alternative.
  - jiuahweruihawi 6y ago
    Facebook is, by far, the worst communication platform out of any that I use. Practically every aspect of the site is designed to be as impractical and user-hostile as possible. The only reason I use Facebook (which happens increasingly less often) is because it's my only way of contacting certain people. I'd LOVE to delete my account but I can't because I still need it for random little things occasionally. I'm not their user - I'm their hostage. And that's without even getting into any of FB's terrible practices around data collection and privacy, none of which need to be repeated here. Facebook is cancer.
- Yhippa 6y ago
  "If it wasn't Facebook it would be another company" "Facebook isn't the problem, human beings are the problem, and they just expose it"
thrwyoilarticle 6y ago
Do you hate the people at Facebook who work on improving the Linux network stack? Are they making the world a worse place? Some nuance, please.
- louwrentius 6y ago
  Yes, I do. What good does an improved Linux network stack do if society collapses? Whatever facebook does is tainted. I don't want the equivalent of blood diamonds.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago

And where do you work? I can probably (almost certainly) find serious ethical lapses in your company, if it's large and/or has been around for a long time. Shaming people based on their perceived associations is just wrong, no matter what those associations.

louwrentius 6y ago
I won't disclose that but rest assured, I don't work at Facebook or any other similar style company that is a detriment to a stable society. If you work at Facebook, I despise you. (you in the general sense) The foundation of the company is a guy who thought it was OK to create website to rate women. Fucking degenerate people.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  Can you explain (with links please) how Facebook is a "detriment to a stable society". > If you work at Facebook, I despise you. (you in the general sense) I think that is massive hyperbole. Do you despise all the people who work for oil companies also? What about everyone who works for Nestle (all the pushing of formula milk in Africa that led to the deaths of babies), I mean where does it all stop? > The foundation of the company is a guy who thought it was OK to create website to rate women. Fucking degenerate people. He was a 19 year old man at this point (and I'm not even sure that happened anywhere except The Social Network). I'm pretty sure lots of 19 year old males have done things similarly except no one cares, because they're not billionaires.
callmeal 6y ago
>Shaming people based on their perceived associations is just wrong, no matter what those associations. Uh, there's a whole group of people at the end of WWII who would disagree with you.
- piokoch 6y ago
  I think there is some difference between working as a guard in concentration camp and as a toilet cleaner or programmer in HSBC, although HSBC bank was laundering money for drug cartels that also murder people.
- chillacy 6y ago
  Unless they were useful, then in that case their associations suddenly didn't matter... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
snakeboy 6y ago
> if it's large and/or has been around for a long time So why not work for a smaller company with values and a history that you can respect? You make it sound like in a capitalist society we have to sell our souls to a big evil company. Software developers (especially ones have the skills to work for facebook) can work literally anywhere. Lots of them start their own companies. There's simply no excuse for contributing to the success of companies whose values and actions you can't personally endorse and stand behind. Of course I'm not gonna resent some dude working at McDonalds for contributing to the obesity epidemic, but software developers just don't have any excuse.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  Firstly, I'm arguing the general point. Secondly, I'm not a software developer (well maybe I'm slowly becoming one, but it's not my job title). Thirdly, I have looked for ethical companies who'll pay me to analyse data, and I am yet to find any industries that don't have ethical issues. I'm not sure what makes Facebook special in this sense (do you feel the same way about Google, Snap, Twitter and TikTok?).

jiuahweruihawi 6y ago

I've long viewed working for Facebook (or Twitter) as like working for a cigarette company. Your product makes the world a worse place and everything would be better if your company disappeared, but hey, something's gotta pay the rent I guess?

robertlagrant 6y ago
I'm amazed that in a global lockdown, where digital communication and connection are more important than ever, that you see only negative benefit to users in Facebook.
- deleted 6y ago
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- smolder 6y ago
  Yes, because Facebook's actual value is trivial to recreate apart from the network effect, and they do their worst to make the site inhospitable. It is worse to use Facebook than abandon it for almost any alternative.
- jiuahweruihawi 6y ago
  Facebook is, by far, the worst communication platform out of any that I use. Practically every aspect of the site is designed to be as impractical and user-hostile as possible. The only reason I use Facebook (which happens increasingly less often) is because it's my only way of contacting certain people. I'd LOVE to delete my account but I can't because I still need it for random little things occasionally. I'm not their user - I'm their hostage. And that's without even getting into any of FB's terrible practices around data collection and privacy, none of which need to be repeated here. Facebook is cancer.
Yhippa 6y ago
"If it wasn't Facebook it would be another company" "Facebook isn't the problem, human beings are the problem, and they just expose it"

thrwyoilarticle 6y ago

Do you hate the people at Facebook who work on improving the Linux network stack? Are they making the world a worse place? Some nuance, please.

louwrentius 6y ago
Yes, I do. What good does an improved Linux network stack do if society collapses? Whatever facebook does is tainted. I don't want the equivalent of blood diamonds.