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Strangely I have found myself to talk more to strangers and having a good laugh and chats with random people since the pandemic has unfolded. I think the reason

Strangely I have found myself to talk more to strangers and having a good laugh and chats with random people since the pandemic has unfolded. I think the reason is because where I live (London) there has been less people on the street, in shops, bars and so on, so the people who do go out are more likely to chat with others like myself. It’s kind of funny, people who are just out and about and getting in with their normal life have no real fear of the virus or most of them (like myself) already had it and therefore have little reason to follow any guidelines. It’s like a self selection process of all people who have a rather similar view on the pandemic which are mostly economically active and meet nowadays at public places. I kind of enjoy it if there wasn’t the bitter aftertaste of seeing lots of livelihoods being crushed and many shops and restaurants at the brink of collapse.

jedberg 6y ago
> or most of them (like myself) already had it and therefore have little reason to follow any guidelines. FYI, just because you've already had it doesn't mean you can't be an asymptomatic carrier. In fact, you're more likely to be one, since you're less likely to have symptoms again. Also, some people have had it twice.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  > FYI, just because you've already had it doesn't mean you can't be an asymptomatic carrier. That statement defies all science and logic. Either I have immunity, which means the virus can’t survive in my body which means I can’t be a carrier OR I don’t have immunity at which point it’s just as likely to get symptoms as it was the first time. > Also, some people have had it twice. There is no actual data to suggest that, only a few self reported cases which scientists have said were far from clear. It’s still regarded as very unlikely and in fact all regions in the world which had a very severe outbreak in March and April haven’t had a second wave at all yet whilst the rest of such countries are currently in the middle of a steep second spike again.
  - kilbuz 6y ago
    Immunity is often a spectrum. Nothing is black and white in biology.
  - jedberg 6y ago
    Immunity is not black and white. You could have sufficient immunity to stop it from taking hold in your body while at the same time carrying the virus in your sinuses and breathing them out on everyone. > and in fact all regions in the world which had a very severe outbreak in March and April haven’t had a second wave at all yet That's just straight up wrong. Most everywhere is now seeing a second wave, except the USA, because we never ended our first wave.
    - dustinmoris 6y ago
      I specifically said "regions" and not "countries". Yes, when you look at a country holistically then there is a second wave, but when you look at where the infections are happening this time round then it is absolutely true what I said. Viruses don't think of countries, so looking at arbitrary borders to get an understanding is extremely unhelpful at best.
      - jedberg 6y ago
        I said country because most of the data is at the country level. But if you have data showing that regions with a high level of infection in March don't have a high level now, I'd love to see it. Here is some data about Spain, showing Madrid with a huge second wave: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/spain-coronavirus-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/spain-...
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    > in fact all regions in the world which had a very severe outbreak in March and April haven’t had a second wave at all yet whilst the rest of such countries are currently in the middle of a steep second spike again. You should probably investigate Madrid before making such strong statements.

jedberg 6y ago

> or most of them (like myself) already had it and therefore have little reason to follow any guidelines. FYI, just because you've already had it doesn't mean you can't be an asymptomatic carrier. In fact, you're more likely to be one, since you're less likely to have symptoms again. Also, some people have had it twice.

dustinmoris 6y ago
> FYI, just because you've already had it doesn't mean you can't be an asymptomatic carrier. That statement defies all science and logic. Either I have immunity, which means the virus can’t survive in my body which means I can’t be a carrier OR I don’t have immunity at which point it’s just as likely to get symptoms as it was the first time. > Also, some people have had it twice. There is no actual data to suggest that, only a few self reported cases which scientists have said were far from clear. It’s still regarded as very unlikely and in fact all regions in the world which had a very severe outbreak in March and April haven’t had a second wave at all yet whilst the rest of such countries are currently in the middle of a steep second spike again.
- kilbuz 6y ago
  Immunity is often a spectrum. Nothing is black and white in biology.
- jedberg 6y ago
  Immunity is not black and white. You could have sufficient immunity to stop it from taking hold in your body while at the same time carrying the virus in your sinuses and breathing them out on everyone. > and in fact all regions in the world which had a very severe outbreak in March and April haven’t had a second wave at all yet That's just straight up wrong. Most everywhere is now seeing a second wave, except the USA, because we never ended our first wave.
  - dustinmoris 6y ago
    I specifically said "regions" and not "countries". Yes, when you look at a country holistically then there is a second wave, but when you look at where the infections are happening this time round then it is absolutely true what I said. Viruses don't think of countries, so looking at arbitrary borders to get an understanding is extremely unhelpful at best.
    - jedberg 6y ago
      I said country because most of the data is at the country level. But if you have data showing that regions with a high level of infection in March don't have a high level now, I'd love to see it. Here is some data about Spain, showing Madrid with a huge second wave: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/spain-coronavirus-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/spain-...
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  > in fact all regions in the world which had a very severe outbreak in March and April haven’t had a second wave at all yet whilst the rest of such countries are currently in the middle of a steep second spike again. You should probably investigate Madrid before making such strong statements.