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> The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. It was even more basic than that
by jobu 6y ago
> The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats.
It was even more basic than that. They were installing a child's carseat for the owner, and I believe it was an anti-theft system that was triggered.
The story reminded me a lot of the rental car that bricked itself because it lost cellular service - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/driver-stranded-after-connected-rental-car-cant-call-home/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/driver-stranded-after-c...
- birdyrooster 6y agoWho puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?
- sneak 6y agoSomeone trying to show off their money by driving their Ferrari to the grocery store.
- nrmitchi 6y agoSomeone who has both a child, and a Ferrari.
- compsciphd 6y agodoes it have a back seat?
- lisper 6y agoSome do. https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/gtc4lusso https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/gtc4lusso But what difference does that make? Why couldn't you put a car seat in the front passenger seat of a two-seater?
- Igelau 6y agoAirbags are not designed with the bodies of children or infants in rear-facing carseats in mind. They're actually really dangerous for them - potentially lethal.
- nrmitchi 6y agoAnd most vehicles have methods to disable airbags when the item/person occupying the seat can not safely handle it. But if you want to get real sad, IIRC many airbag systems are not designed with an occupant outside the parameters of a typical adult male in mind. Some modern systems are getting better about this, but if you're too short, too tall, a woman, or other-wise-outside-of-the-norm, good luck.
- Dylan16807 6y agoWhat goes wrong with a woman that is the expected size?
- PeterisP 6y agoVery few women are of the expected size (5' 9" tall) aimed to represent the average male; most women automatically falls into the "too short / other-wise-outside-of-the-norm" as far as car safety testing was concerned until recently - AFAIK cars made since 2012 should be also tested on smaller, female-sized dummies which also created an incentive to alter how they are built.
- Dylan16807 6y agoWell if that's it then making a list of "too short, too tall, a woman" is double-counting. Also if you take it as exactly 5'9" then airbags aren't suitable for men either. What you need to do is examine the range it's designed for. It's not the average height that matters, it's what percent of men/women fall inside that range. There might be a significant difference in that percent, or there might not be.
- nrmitchi 6y agoFirst, some models do. I don't know about that particular one, because (shockingly) I don't own a Ferrari. But second, that doesn't matter. Most places do not have laws that prohibit children in the front seat of cars, only that they use appropriate child seats. Further, child seats are typically required for _children_, not just infants. IIRC, for example, in Texas, child seats are required for any child under the age of 8, unless they are taller than 4'9". It is totally reasonable for a 7 year old to want to go for a ride in their parents "fancy" car. It's actually very responsible of this person to get a child seat properly installed in order to support that.
- kofejnik 6y agoexcept that child seats are mostly safety theater, of course
- jankiehodgpodge 6y agoIs there any evidence for that? I know that for example women are more likely to be injured in car crashes because most car seats/interiors are designed around the average man so if be surprised if a human half didn't need to be raised or put in a safer position.
- kofejnik 6y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5gMZcZWm0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5gMZcZWm0 https://freakonomics.com/2007/01/05/we-are-not-the-only-ones-who-think-child-car-seats-dont-work-well/ https://freakonomics.com/2007/01/05/we-are-not-the-only-ones...
- JshWright 6y agoSo your "evidence" is a single anecdotal account from over a decade ago? Actual accident data doesn't back you up...
- hurxnid 6y ago
- CydeWeys 6y agoFerraris having back seats goes back to the early days of the marque: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/g6602/ferrari-four-seat-history-list/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/g6602/ferrari-four-... Not all, of course, but many do.
- cromulent 6y agoyes, the Portofino M does have back seats, although they are limited somewhat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Portofino#/media/File:Porto180323-6991besg.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Portofino#/media/File:...
- Hamuko 6y agoNot only does it have back seats, it has ISOFIX points.
- oconnor663 6y ago"This baby can go zero to sixty in three seconds flat."
- jdironman 6y agoSlaps hood
- waffle_ss 6y agoAnother throwaway meme reference. dang where you at?
- peterwwillis 6y agoSlaps baby
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y agoFor anyone wondering, assuming linear acceleration that's roughly 1 g. In a rear-facing seat, that's 1 g eyeballs-out, which should still be perfectly safe for the child, but possibly not for the cleanliness of the seat.
- kube-system 6y agoAlso, basically any boring passenger car can brake at or slightly above 1 g.
- encypruon 6y ago
- SilasX 6y agoI hate to sound inflammatory, but just to get everyone on the same page, and because I was wondering the same thing: I thought Ferraris were show-off cars for the rich, and if you were rich enough to have one, and had a child, then you would (sensibly) own a separate, functional car when you actually intended to drive that child around (or employ some car/chauffeur service or whatever). Edit: I googled Ferraris with back seats, and got this article which opens by acknowledging that people don't expect them to exist or for Ferraris to be kid friendly, so I think I (and the heavily downvoted GP) can be forgiven for harboring this misconception. >>Adam Merlin, President at Merlin Auto Group, confidently answers, “Every time I speak about Ferraris being kid friendly, people think I’m nuts. And for the most part, I am. After all, even Ferraris that do have back seats often require the rear passenger to sacrifice leg room, so you can imagine peoples’ reactions when I allude to fitting car seats back there. However, after trying a plethora of Ferrari models, I can confidently say there are models you can choose from, if you have a family and still want to spoil yourself by driving a Ferrari.” https://www.merlinautogroup.com/kid-friendly-ferraris.htm https://www.merlinautogroup.com/kid-friendly-ferraris.htm
- nrmitchi 6y agoI agree with you, and honestly I should have been more clear here. I also think there are different definitions of "kid friendly". Using a Ferrari to take your 3-month-old toddler to a doctors appointment? That seems like a waste. Taking your 7 year old kid on a drive in the "fun car"? If I had a Ferrari, and a kid, this would 100% be happening.
- SilasX 6y agoBut you just need booster seats for 7 y/os, which simply lie on top of the OEM seat without risking this kind of incident, right?
- nrmitchi 6y agoI have 0 experience installing a booster seat in a Ferrari, but frankly I would expect any form of child seat to be installable without risking this kind of incident. I don't have the knowledge to get into any specifics about this. The point is just that there are plenty of valid use cases for having a child seat in a Ferrari.
- gffrd 6y agoMy first thought: imagine the geometry of trying to get a child into a car seat through a Ferrari door opening …
- Hamuko 6y agoIt's a convertible so it's probably pretty easy.
- bluedino 6y agoA baby, that would be weird. But nowadays you have to put a child in a seat until they are like 10...
- Cullinet 6y agoSomeone hoping for their super -ego to come along and be suitably impressed? I have never shaken the most ridiculous way I mistake the nature and purpose of the ego, I presume because of its commonly attributed definition for being precisely the opposite of what my mind always first assumes the ego is on about. Of course the ego isn't the wild uninhibited and self indulgent fool of colloquial speech, in which we regard the proverbial enormity of a person's ego, to mean that they're beyond the pale. But it just doesn't sound right to exclaim "woa! The ^id/^ on that man! I like to imagine the arguments that a prospective first time Ferrari buyer's possessed with : the age and social status of the average buyer who isn't a dedicated tifoso or otherwise predisposed by profession, sporting or wealth, to buy their first Ferrari, I wouldn't want to bet isn't a highly successful and rational human being. This is the marketing book that I always wanted to read : Inside the mind of the man about to sign for his first Ferrari : Everything you aren't twisted enough to make up for a question, answered." Something has always suggested to me that the reasons are highly specific and individual. Incidentally whatever is the owner thinking, in the days of tractor EULAs to fit a unauthorised safety device? This part doesn't concur with my customer profile at all. Do performance car manufacturers (or dealers, rather) stoop to set up such low FUD? (Edited two autocorrects)
- holoduke 6y agoI do. Got an older F430. My son 5 years old loves to sit next to me. And me as well. On the F430 and I believe most other models you can disable the airbag as well. Sometimes safer when the seat is positioned reversed.
- boogies 6y agoApparently enough people to create a market for seats specifically designed for it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qnh3/final_update_and_there_it_goes_boys_a_true_marvel/g8ll7tq/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...
- natch 6y agoYou aren’t required to always drive fast in a fast/quick car.
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