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I’m proud to say that so far I have refused to give any data away and when forced I used a fake name and fake phone number. Nobody should participate in this id

I’m proud to say that so far I have refused to give any data away and when forced I used a fake name and fake phone number. Nobody should participate in this idiotic attempt of trying to control a virus. It’s impossible. The only way back to normality is herd immunity. It will have to happen sooner or later, through natural immunity, a vaccine or most likely a combination of both. I have it rather sooner than later. Only way back to normality is to start acting normal now. Everything else is madness. Also the people who make 100% of the sacrifices are working age adults and children, basically those who are virtually at no risk of dying from this virus. Feels plain wrong that people have to give up everything for nothing in return.

untog 6y ago
> The only way back to normality is herd immunity. Contract tracing seems to have worked out great in many countries. And you’re entirely discounting the possibility of a vaccine here. Given that a lot of people will have to die in order to achieve herd immunity (and the science isn’t even clear on exactly how many yet, nor on the long term implications for those that survive a COVID infection) I’m not sure blanket assertions are the wisest choice right now.
MattGaiser 6y ago
> Only way back to normality is to start acting normal now. You can do that if you wish. Nobody is really stopping you in most countries. I’m not joining you though. And I would bet that I am joined by enough people that normal cannot be achieved.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
  You already lost the bet judging by last six months. Will you still pay up?
richrichardsson 6y ago
Correct: working age adults and children, basically those who are virtually at no risk of dying from this virus. Also correct and much more important: this virus can have incredibly deleterious effects on otherwise healthy people beyond killing them. Just because it probably won't kill you doesn't mean it can't fuck you up. In fact I think I'd rather the virus kill me than leave me with permanent damage that destroys any quality of life.
- nradov 6y ago
  What percentage of patients will have permanent damage that destroys any quality of life?
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    Nobody really knows yet. Check back in a year or so.
    - nradov 6y ago
      Why do we need to wait a year? There are already millions of people who have recovered from acute infections. If a large percentage are continuing to experience severe symptoms then where is the data?
      - rsynnott 6y ago
        The numbers are all over the place right now, but some studies are showing up to 50% of people seeing persistent issues (particularly abnormal fatigue). It's not clear yet if that's really what you'd call long-term, though; a lot of it may go away.
        nradov 6y ago
        Which studies? Please provide a citation.
  - dTal 6y ago
    Nobody can possibly know if it's permanent, of course, but currently it's looking like about 10% of people don't completely recover.
    - nradov 6y ago
      Please provide a citation for that number.
  - 6y ago
SCdF 6y ago
For the love of god stay inside
- lwansbrough 6y ago
  Maybe this is a US thing because the virus is so widespread but the guidance here in western Canada is definitely not “stay inside”. And it doesn’t help the cause to tell narcissists who want to live normal lives again that they can’t go outside. They can. They should wear a sufficiently protective mask to protect others, physically distance, and avoid groups and public indoor spaces. If you’re walking on a quiet street, or in a park, etc. you definitely don’t need a mask on. And you don’t need to hide inside, that’s paranoia.
  - SCdF 6y ago
    I am explicitly telling the guy I replied to, who sounds like he both lives near me and doesn't exactly have an interest in keeping others around him from not dying, to stay inside. It wasn't a message to everyone in general.
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UncleEntity 6y ago
I'm proud to say I'm not dead because of people like you clogging up the hospitals allowing me to receive emergency surgery a couple weeks ago.
ookblah 6y ago
yeah, keep acting normal, that's sure to bring back tourism and economies. broadway just cancelled all their shows until may of next year, a pure business decision, nothing to do with gov't policy. i understand we're anxious and angry to return to a sense of normalcy, but make no mistake, it has nothing to do with sheer will. business cannot survive on the select few "choosing" to be reckless. it will return when we get it under control and people's perceive risk (whether valid) goes down.
- josephcsible 6y ago
  > nothing to do with gov't policy Not true. If they were allowed to fill their theaters up, they'd probably have reopened already. The business decision to not reopen is because they can't be profitable with the vastly reduced capacity that the government is currently mandating.
  - ookblah 6y ago
    look at any country with open policies. attendance at theaters and the like are at record lows. spending is down. broadway in NYC runs on tourism. you might survive for a few months, but if the science is correct, you will just shut down again or people will be afraid to go. broadway can't afford to gamble like that.
    - josephcsible 6y ago
      Look at where exactly? The only equivalent to Broadway I know of is London's West End, and they don't have open policies.
just-juan-post 6y ago
We now know for a fact that the world-wide IFR is 0.13%.[1] It's time to give choice back to the people. I'm not anti-anything. I'm pro-choice. I'm with you. [1] - Monday Oct 05 the WHO announced there were 750 million cases of Covid worldwide (see tons of news sources). According to the official WHO tracker there have been 1 million deaths. 1 million divided by 750 million is 0.00133333 or 0.13% IFR.
- lwansbrough 6y ago
  The rest of us are pro-choice, too. We’re choosing to follow the guidance of our well respected public health officials. Even if you are totally free to choose (you are where I live in Vancouver) this doesn’t prevent businesses from being impacted by the majority decision to reduce virus spread by limiting dining out, etc. The solution, and the inevitable return to normalcy will come when people feel protected. That can come with herd immunity, which is nearly impossible (NYC had excess deaths in the same range as the Spanish flu and only has 20% immunity in the population to show for it) or it can come with advanced treatment, therapeutics and at some point a vaccine. This is a multi year process but the result will be a return to normalcy, as happened with the Spanish flu.
  - ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
    I think you’re in the minority, one that gets smaller and smaller daily. Downvote all you want.
    - lwansbrough 6y ago
      3-in-4 Canadians say they would support a mandatory mask policy. Hope that gives you some perspective outside your bubble.

untog 6y ago

> The only way back to normality is herd immunity. Contract tracing seems to have worked out great in many countries. And you’re entirely discounting the possibility of a vaccine here. Given that a lot of people will have to die in order to achieve herd immunity (and the science isn’t even clear on exactly how many yet, nor on the long term implications for those that survive a COVID infection) I’m not sure blanket assertions are the wisest choice right now.

MattGaiser 6y ago

> Only way back to normality is to start acting normal now. You can do that if you wish. Nobody is really stopping you in most countries. I’m not joining you though. And I would bet that I am joined by enough people that normal cannot be achieved.

ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
You already lost the bet judging by last six months. Will you still pay up?

richrichardsson 6y ago

Correct: working age adults and children, basically those who are virtually at no risk of dying from this virus. Also correct and much more important: this virus can have incredibly deleterious effects on otherwise healthy people beyond killing them. Just because it probably won't kill you doesn't mean it can't fuck you up. In fact I think I'd rather the virus kill me than leave me with permanent damage that destroys any quality of life.

nradov 6y ago
What percentage of patients will have permanent damage that destroys any quality of life?
- rsynnott 6y ago
  Nobody really knows yet. Check back in a year or so.
  - nradov 6y ago
    Why do we need to wait a year? There are already millions of people who have recovered from acute infections. If a large percentage are continuing to experience severe symptoms then where is the data?
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      The numbers are all over the place right now, but some studies are showing up to 50% of people seeing persistent issues (particularly abnormal fatigue). It's not clear yet if that's really what you'd call long-term, though; a lot of it may go away.
      - nradov 6y ago
        Which studies? Please provide a citation.
- dTal 6y ago
  Nobody can possibly know if it's permanent, of course, but currently it's looking like about 10% of people don't completely recover.
  - nradov 6y ago
    Please provide a citation for that number.
- 6y ago

SCdF 6y ago

For the love of god stay inside

lwansbrough 6y ago
Maybe this is a US thing because the virus is so widespread but the guidance here in western Canada is definitely not “stay inside”. And it doesn’t help the cause to tell narcissists who want to live normal lives again that they can’t go outside. They can. They should wear a sufficiently protective mask to protect others, physically distance, and avoid groups and public indoor spaces. If you’re walking on a quiet street, or in a park, etc. you definitely don’t need a mask on. And you don’t need to hide inside, that’s paranoia.
- SCdF 6y ago
  I am explicitly telling the guy I replied to, who sounds like he both lives near me and doesn't exactly have an interest in keeping others around him from not dying, to stay inside. It wasn't a message to everyone in general.

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UncleEntity 6y ago

I'm proud to say I'm not dead because of people like you clogging up the hospitals allowing me to receive emergency surgery a couple weeks ago.

ookblah 6y ago

yeah, keep acting normal, that's sure to bring back tourism and economies. broadway just cancelled all their shows until may of next year, a pure business decision, nothing to do with gov't policy. i understand we're anxious and angry to return to a sense of normalcy, but make no mistake, it has nothing to do with sheer will. business cannot survive on the select few "choosing" to be reckless. it will return when we get it under control and people's perceive risk (whether valid) goes down.

josephcsible 6y ago
> nothing to do with gov't policy Not true. If they were allowed to fill their theaters up, they'd probably have reopened already. The business decision to not reopen is because they can't be profitable with the vastly reduced capacity that the government is currently mandating.
- ookblah 6y ago
  look at any country with open policies. attendance at theaters and the like are at record lows. spending is down. broadway in NYC runs on tourism. you might survive for a few months, but if the science is correct, you will just shut down again or people will be afraid to go. broadway can't afford to gamble like that.
  - josephcsible 6y ago
    Look at where exactly? The only equivalent to Broadway I know of is London's West End, and they don't have open policies.

just-juan-post 6y ago

We now know for a fact that the world-wide IFR is 0.13%.[1] It's time to give choice back to the people. I'm not anti-anything. I'm pro-choice. I'm with you. [1] - Monday Oct 05 the WHO announced there were 750 million cases of Covid worldwide (see tons of news sources). According to the official WHO tracker there have been 1 million deaths. 1 million divided by 750 million is 0.00133333 or 0.13% IFR.

lwansbrough 6y ago
The rest of us are pro-choice, too. We’re choosing to follow the guidance of our well respected public health officials. Even if you are totally free to choose (you are where I live in Vancouver) this doesn’t prevent businesses from being impacted by the majority decision to reduce virus spread by limiting dining out, etc. The solution, and the inevitable return to normalcy will come when people feel protected. That can come with herd immunity, which is nearly impossible (NYC had excess deaths in the same range as the Spanish flu and only has 20% immunity in the population to show for it) or it can come with advanced treatment, therapeutics and at some point a vaccine. This is a multi year process but the result will be a return to normalcy, as happened with the Spanish flu.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
  I think you’re in the minority, one that gets smaller and smaller daily. Downvote all you want.
  - lwansbrough 6y ago
    3-in-4 Canadians say they would support a mandatory mask policy. Hope that gives you some perspective outside your bubble.