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So if an app shows an image of two men kissing, Apple should order the app makers to take it down worldwide because it's illegal in Uganda?

by foepys 6y ago

toxik 6y ago
FAANG etc have been kowtowing to oppressive regimes for well over a decade, did you not get the memo? Profit decides, not ethics.
- psychoslave 6y ago
  Profitability is not absolute: what profits the best to mankind happiness maximization might widely differs from what might optimize profit for a few individuals
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newbie578 6y ago
You state an excellent point and I would love to see the Apple fanboys argue your point.
- oxymoran 6y ago
  I love how people say Apple fanboys like it’s an insult. Is there a legitimate, better option to apple? No because the smartphone market is dominated by google and apple. At least apple pretends to care about privacy. Yes, apple are obviously hypocrites. Still better than google. If there was another viable choice I would happily go with that.
  - tripzilch 6y ago
    Sorry but what's Google done that is worse than this? These are people trying to save their country, from rigged elections and an oppressive regime. That's what they use communication for, and Apple shutting this down, choosing the side of the party that stole the election through cheating and force. I'm not a big fan of Google (nor Apple), but I'm having a hard time thinking of something Google did that is so straight up egregious. But maybe there is, and I forgot about it.
    - sofixa 6y ago
      And even if Google did do the same kind of shit with Android, it has an open source base, and there are distributions ( LineageOS to name one) over which Google has no control whatsoever.
  - efreak 6y ago
    There was webOS. There were other OS in the past, as well. Is Tizen stilla thing for mobile? Having used webOS on the HP touchpad, I still think it had a lot going for it. Either way, Android and iOS are all that stuck, and I think we're far worse off for it.
  - jwalgenbach 6y ago
    There is a segment of the Apple consumer-base that appear to think that Apple can do no wrong. It's a cult of personality just like any other, and pointing out the hypocrisy is satisfying for some, if ultimately futile.
  - Tainnor 6y ago
    yes. because unlike Apple, Google is allowing third-party stores. And yes, Google has been tightening the noose as well, which many people rightfully criticise, but as of now, you still have options on Android.
  - simion314 6y ago
    Apple fanboy is not the same as an Apple user. As an example a fanboy is emotional y invested, Apple is part of his identity. When reports of broken keyboards surfaced the fanboys attacked the affected users and defended Apple. Other fanboy examples, Apple does bad thing X, fanboys defends Apple, class action lawsuit forces Apple to stop doing bad thing X , Apple announces that they kindly stopped doing X and fanboys praise Apple for their goodness. Other example, Apple removes you the choice for alternative payment methods, removes the choice for you to get informed of alternatives and from this articles seems they refuse to inform people where censorship was applied and for some reason fanboys will defend the fact that all users are deprived of mere choices., Some other examples is when the fanboys complain about ads, lootboxes and other shitty in app payments but ignroe the fact that Apple gets a cut of the money instead of just banning ads,tracking,lootboxes etc. Even people here on HN that should be more competent try to push a narrative that a side loaded app is insecure when in fact the same sandbox will protect the user and web notifications seem to be also some extremely hard concept to implement right by Apple engineers, you would think they have competent developers and designers that could find a good UX. Conclusion, Most Apple users are not fanboys, I seen them on the Apple reddit criticising when Apple does some shit, so when somone uses the word fanboy he means a person that has Apple as part of his identity, criticizing Apple is the same as an attack on him or his mother.
  - slang800 6y ago
    You're implying that owning a smartphone is a necessity. You could simply own neither an Apple nor a Google product and sidestep this whole decision.
    - takeda 6y ago
      In this context it kind of is. It helps protesters organize and protect themselves.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    That was bait. Don't take the bait. Only you can prevent flamewars. edit: oh god look at all these sibling comments, abort, abort!
immigrantsheep 6y ago
This is a REALLY good argument
MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
Uganda has no money and probably few iphones so probably not
oneplane 6y ago
Not worldwide, but for the country in which it is illegal. That is how law tends to work.
sawjet 6y ago
Yes, if it breaks the laws of Uganda
- foepys 6y ago
  It does. Homosexual activities like kissing will land you in prison for life. Between late-2013 and mid-2014 people could even be sentenced to death. LGBTQ+ would be censored worldwide because of a single country.

So if an app shows an image of two men kissing, Apple should order the app makers to take it down worldwide because it's illegal in Uganda?

by foepys 6y ago

So if an app shows an image of two men kissing, Apple should order the app makers to take it down worldwide because it's illegal in Uganda?

toxik 6y ago

FAANG etc have been kowtowing to oppressive regimes for well over a decade, did you not get the memo? Profit decides, not ethics.

psychoslave 6y ago
Profitability is not absolute: what profits the best to mankind happiness maximization might widely differs from what might optimize profit for a few individuals

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newbie578 6y ago

You state an excellent point and I would love to see the Apple fanboys argue your point.

oxymoran 6y ago
I love how people say Apple fanboys like it’s an insult. Is there a legitimate, better option to apple? No because the smartphone market is dominated by google and apple. At least apple pretends to care about privacy. Yes, apple are obviously hypocrites. Still better than google. If there was another viable choice I would happily go with that.
- tripzilch 6y ago
  Sorry but what's Google done that is worse than this? These are people trying to save their country, from rigged elections and an oppressive regime. That's what they use communication for, and Apple shutting this down, choosing the side of the party that stole the election through cheating and force. I'm not a big fan of Google (nor Apple), but I'm having a hard time thinking of something Google did that is so straight up egregious. But maybe there is, and I forgot about it.
  - sofixa 6y ago
    And even if Google did do the same kind of shit with Android, it has an open source base, and there are distributions ( LineageOS to name one) over which Google has no control whatsoever.
- efreak 6y ago
  There was webOS. There were other OS in the past, as well. Is Tizen stilla thing for mobile? Having used webOS on the HP touchpad, I still think it had a lot going for it. Either way, Android and iOS are all that stuck, and I think we're far worse off for it.
- jwalgenbach 6y ago
  There is a segment of the Apple consumer-base that appear to think that Apple can do no wrong. It's a cult of personality just like any other, and pointing out the hypocrisy is satisfying for some, if ultimately futile.
- Tainnor 6y ago
  yes. because unlike Apple, Google is allowing third-party stores. And yes, Google has been tightening the noose as well, which many people rightfully criticise, but as of now, you still have options on Android.
- simion314 6y ago
  Apple fanboy is not the same as an Apple user. As an example a fanboy is emotional y invested, Apple is part of his identity. When reports of broken keyboards surfaced the fanboys attacked the affected users and defended Apple. Other fanboy examples, Apple does bad thing X, fanboys defends Apple, class action lawsuit forces Apple to stop doing bad thing X , Apple announces that they kindly stopped doing X and fanboys praise Apple for their goodness. Other example, Apple removes you the choice for alternative payment methods, removes the choice for you to get informed of alternatives and from this articles seems they refuse to inform people where censorship was applied and for some reason fanboys will defend the fact that all users are deprived of mere choices., Some other examples is when the fanboys complain about ads, lootboxes and other shitty in app payments but ignroe the fact that Apple gets a cut of the money instead of just banning ads,tracking,lootboxes etc. Even people here on HN that should be more competent try to push a narrative that a side loaded app is insecure when in fact the same sandbox will protect the user and web notifications seem to be also some extremely hard concept to implement right by Apple engineers, you would think they have competent developers and designers that could find a good UX. Conclusion, Most Apple users are not fanboys, I seen them on the Apple reddit criticising when Apple does some shit, so when somone uses the word fanboy he means a person that has Apple as part of his identity, criticizing Apple is the same as an attack on him or his mother.
- slang800 6y ago
  You're implying that owning a smartphone is a necessity. You could simply own neither an Apple nor a Google product and sidestep this whole decision.
  - takeda 6y ago
    In this context it kind of is. It helps protesters organize and protect themselves.
- klyrs 6y ago
  That was bait. Don't take the bait. Only you can prevent flamewars. edit: oh god look at all these sibling comments, abort, abort!

immigrantsheep 6y ago

This is a REALLY good argument

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago

Uganda has no money and probably few iphones so probably not

oneplane 6y ago

Not worldwide, but for the country in which it is illegal. That is how law tends to work.

sawjet 6y ago

Yes, if it breaks the laws of Uganda

foepys 6y ago
It does. Homosexual activities like kissing will land you in prison for life. Between late-2013 and mid-2014 people could even be sentenced to death. LGBTQ+ would be censored worldwide because of a single country.