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Can you point me to similar Facebook/Whatsapp groups ? Because they are usually pretty aggressive about acting on inciteful content.

PureParadigm 6y ago
How about we consider any website accessible through Safari? Is Apple going to start blocking users from viewing those?
- paulcarroty 6y ago
  I'll not be surprised. Apple always wants total control on their platforms. Obviously sometimes its plays against them.
  - barumi 6y ago
    > Obviously sometimes its plays against them. Also known as accountability for their own actions.
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  The opening steps of that are already in place. Apple is already blocking content in safari by default. It’s currently doing so in the name of privacy, and chances are that what it’s currently doing is ultimately user positive. The mechanism is already in place and ready to be expanded to include anything more as necessary.
spacemanmatt 6y ago
I doubt it. Maybe they crack down on an app or two when they feel like it but Apple aren't moving the needle on incitement. Plus they make and sell communication apps subject to carrying the exact same sentiments. Content policing a chat app is asinine.
- pleasebegood 6y ago
  It's not. They don't allow NSFW apps on iOS even if it's user generated. They have to make it explicitly opt in with significant restrictions. Apple can do whatever they want on their platform. I wouldn't want to be involved in something illegal such as above when using an app on iOS accidentally.
  - spacemanmatt 6y ago
    Telegram is Apple's own platform? Are you saying Apple is involved in something illegal by allowing Telegram to distribute software through the App Store, since people use it to dox Putin-aligned police in Belarus?
    - pleasebegood 6y ago
      There is already a precedent for apple to not allow apps that doesn't align with its content policies even if user generated. Anything NSFW is not allowed by default and without explicit warnings. Porn is not allowed. Drug stores are not allowed. Gab is not allowed. Imageboards aren't. Why would this be different? Apple owns the app store and the iOS platform. They have a duty to protect their customers from clicking on unsightly and wrongful content. Customers expect that from apple. I wouldn't want any kid to end up accessing this channel on telegram.
      - baybal2 6y ago
        > clicking on content If you believe democracy to be unsightly and wrongful, then your believes are reactionary, and must be subject to rectification.
        pleasebegood 6y ago
        In which world is democracy doxing and planning violence against people?
        6y ago
smolder 6y ago
No, Facebook is not aggressive in moderating anything except their PR. It's full of bots, full of disinformation, and full of hate-filled groups. You have to be smart enough not to use it to be naive enough to believe they police any aspect of it adequately.
CydeWeys 6y ago
The worst ones are all private, so they can't be pointed to. But we do find out about their existence after they're broken up (by law enforcement action, not Facebook). E.g. the domestic terrorists that were planning to overthrow the Michigan State government were coordinating via private Facebook group. So there's one example for you.

PureParadigm 6y ago

How about we consider any website accessible through Safari? Is Apple going to start blocking users from viewing those?

paulcarroty 6y ago
I'll not be surprised. Apple always wants total control on their platforms. Obviously sometimes its plays against them.
- barumi 6y ago
  > Obviously sometimes its plays against them. Also known as accountability for their own actions.
oarsinsync 6y ago
The opening steps of that are already in place. Apple is already blocking content in safari by default. It’s currently doing so in the name of privacy, and chances are that what it’s currently doing is ultimately user positive. The mechanism is already in place and ready to be expanded to include anything more as necessary.

spacemanmatt 6y ago

I doubt it. Maybe they crack down on an app or two when they feel like it but Apple aren't moving the needle on incitement. Plus they make and sell communication apps subject to carrying the exact same sentiments. Content policing a chat app is asinine.

pleasebegood 6y ago
It's not. They don't allow NSFW apps on iOS even if it's user generated. They have to make it explicitly opt in with significant restrictions. Apple can do whatever they want on their platform. I wouldn't want to be involved in something illegal such as above when using an app on iOS accidentally.
- spacemanmatt 6y ago
  Telegram is Apple's own platform? Are you saying Apple is involved in something illegal by allowing Telegram to distribute software through the App Store, since people use it to dox Putin-aligned police in Belarus?
  - pleasebegood 6y ago
    There is already a precedent for apple to not allow apps that doesn't align with its content policies even if user generated. Anything NSFW is not allowed by default and without explicit warnings. Porn is not allowed. Drug stores are not allowed. Gab is not allowed. Imageboards aren't. Why would this be different? Apple owns the app store and the iOS platform. They have a duty to protect their customers from clicking on unsightly and wrongful content. Customers expect that from apple. I wouldn't want any kid to end up accessing this channel on telegram.
    - baybal2 6y ago
      > clicking on content If you believe democracy to be unsightly and wrongful, then your believes are reactionary, and must be subject to rectification.
      - pleasebegood 6y ago
        In which world is democracy doxing and planning violence against people?
        6y ago

smolder 6y ago

No, Facebook is not aggressive in moderating anything except their PR. It's full of bots, full of disinformation, and full of hate-filled groups. You have to be smart enough not to use it to be naive enough to believe they police any aspect of it adequately.

CydeWeys 6y ago

The worst ones are all private, so they can't be pointed to. But we do find out about their existence after they're broken up (by law enforcement action, not Facebook). E.g. the domestic terrorists that were planning to overthrow the Michigan State government were coordinating via private Facebook group. So there's one example for you.