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That's not why Meta failed. Meta failed because their product was garbage.

by moron4hire 6y ago

TwoBit 6y ago
Has any AR product not been garbage?
- cyrux004 6y ago
  but none of the CEOs say that you have to switch from using monitors at the company to AR glasses
- moron4hire 6y ago
  The HoloLens 1 does what it claims to do. It is uncomfortable, the FOV is narrow, but it's usable and there aren't any big, negative surprises. You can use it and say, "yeah, I get it, I can see where this is going". The Magic Leap doesn't do what they claimed it would do. But it does do what the HoloLens 1 does, slightly better in some areas, slightly worse in others. The Meta2 was fundamentally broken. Nothing on it worked correctly. Everything on it was a hack job.
- scollet 6y ago
  I can say Pokemon Go was a great success. I never played it because I'm not into AR, but I like this vertical of positive social/gaming experiences.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    I guess it falls under the very vague term of "AR product", depending on how you define it, but it's not an AR visualization product. Rendering pokemon on top of a surface is a cute little gimmick but if that feature wasn't there it wouldn't really matter.
cyrux004 6y ago
I will have to agree. The tarrif war accelerated their demise; but there product was far from ready. Infact the CEO of Meta said at some point said that employees will be required to shift from monitors to using Meta and they werent able to reach that goal because their tech (or AR in general) wasnt there
errantspark 6y ago
Ahahah, I dropped in here to share this little tidbit too. Looks like you beat me to it. I figure it's been long enough that I can share some war stories. I was in the car w/ the founders on the way to Hacker Dojo when they got the news that they'd been accepted into YC. At this point much of their tech demo had been built by some kid they'd hooked up with at the Dojo. One time I remember one of the founders was on the phone with his mom trying to get more time out of him. I never saw the technology deliver on any promises but I was probably like 22 at the time and I was stoked to get to play with depth cameras and AR goggles at all. I helped them film some tech demos and build some jigs to take footage through the googles. It's through Meta that I met Steves Mann and Feiner. I had a few great conversations with them at the time, and later it also made me realize that brilliant people who you deeply respect can make some really dumb bets too. The best way to describe Meta is "store brand Magic Leap". Huge gap between what they had and what they were selling, and never enough focus to put in the hard work to narrow it, or the humility to admit that they overpromised. They did eventually pay me, though I think some friends of mine were not so lucky. I would say it was mostly incompetence and not malice. I think the founders truly believed many of the lies they told and it was easy to get caught up in that energy. Working with them and hanging out in their general orbit at ChezJJ and the Hacker Dojo was probably the most HBO's Silicon Valley experience of my life and I'm deeply grateful for it.

That's not why Meta failed. Meta failed because their product was garbage.

TwoBit 6y ago

Has any AR product not been garbage?

cyrux004 6y ago
but none of the CEOs say that you have to switch from using monitors at the company to AR glasses
moron4hire 6y ago
The HoloLens 1 does what it claims to do. It is uncomfortable, the FOV is narrow, but it's usable and there aren't any big, negative surprises. You can use it and say, "yeah, I get it, I can see where this is going". The Magic Leap doesn't do what they claimed it would do. But it does do what the HoloLens 1 does, slightly better in some areas, slightly worse in others. The Meta2 was fundamentally broken. Nothing on it worked correctly. Everything on it was a hack job.
scollet 6y ago
I can say Pokemon Go was a great success. I never played it because I'm not into AR, but I like this vertical of positive social/gaming experiences.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  I guess it falls under the very vague term of "AR product", depending on how you define it, but it's not an AR visualization product. Rendering pokemon on top of a surface is a cute little gimmick but if that feature wasn't there it wouldn't really matter.

cyrux004 6y ago

I will have to agree. The tarrif war accelerated their demise; but there product was far from ready. Infact the CEO of Meta said at some point said that employees will be required to shift from monitors to using Meta and they werent able to reach that goal because their tech (or AR in general) wasnt there

errantspark 6y ago

Ahahah, I dropped in here to share this little tidbit too. Looks like you beat me to it. I figure it's been long enough that I can share some war stories. I was in the car w/ the founders on the way to Hacker Dojo when they got the news that they'd been accepted into YC. At this point much of their tech demo had been built by some kid they'd hooked up with at the Dojo. One time I remember one of the founders was on the phone with his mom trying to get more time out of him. I never saw the technology deliver on any promises but I was probably like 22 at the time and I was stoked to get to play with depth cameras and AR goggles at all. I helped them film some tech demos and build some jigs to take footage through the googles. It's through Meta that I met Steves Mann and Feiner. I had a few great conversations with them at the time, and later it also made me realize that brilliant people who you deeply respect can make some really dumb bets too. The best way to describe Meta is "store brand Magic Leap". Huge gap between what they had and what they were selling, and never enough focus to put in the hard work to narrow it, or the humility to admit that they overpromised. They did eventually pay me, though I think some friends of mine were not so lucky. I would say it was mostly incompetence and not malice. I think the founders truly believed many of the lies they told and it was easy to get caught up in that energy. Working with them and hanging out in their general orbit at ChezJJ and the Hacker Dojo was probably the most HBO's Silicon Valley experience of my life and I'm deeply grateful for it.