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One thing I don't understand is how the EU public will afford this. I drive a Plugin Hybrid, but since moving from my old place and living in an apartment, I ha

One thing I don't understand is how the EU public will afford this. I drive a Plugin Hybrid, but since moving from my old place and living in an apartment, I have no where to charge it. The closest charging station is around 12km from me and has 2 plugs (it is in an Aldi). After that there is another on 4-5 km after also with 2 plugs and one is mostly out of service. I am all for lower emission vehicles, but most people in my country live in apartments, a lot of them without garages even. What will people do? (I end up charging my car at my parents when I need, but even so it is a PITA as I have to leave it there for a few hours and then walk back home for 10-15 minutes)

clouddrover 6y ago
Wireless charging would be the best solution. Charge where you park and no cables on the street: https://witricity.com/products/automotive/ https://witricity.com/products/automotive/
- gambiting 6y ago
  My local council barely has enough money to patch potholes in the streets, they are switching the lights off at night to save money. Yet somehow.....they will build this expensive to build and maintain infrastructure? I imagine the first answer people will have is "it's simple! We will just let the private sector handle this!" - to which I say, this is an absolutely awful idea. The charging infrastructure is already handled like this and it's an absolute mess - every charger requires a different app, from a different provider, they all have different rules and requirements, if you turn up to a charger that you don't already have an account for, good luck spending the next 15-20 minutes setting up an account and hoping it actually works(instead of giving you "unknown error occurred" like it happens in my experience, just yesterday I wanted to use a "public" charger but failed because the 1 star android app by that provider kept crashing - it's a shitshow basically). The best thing that could happen to it is either all charging infrastructure being nationalized, or at least the government introducing very strict standards like they do with petrol stations.
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    > Yet somehow.....they will build this expensive to build and maintain infrastructure? Sure. Ghent is: https://www.themayor.eu/ga/ghent-speeds-up-the-transition-to-electric-vehicles https://www.themayor.eu/ga/ghent-speeds-up-the-transition-to... New York is: https://www.nypa.gov/services/clean-energy-advisory-services/evolve-ny https://www.nypa.gov/services/clean-energy-advisory-services... Tulsa is with chargers with built-in batteries for lower installation cost: https://freewiretech.com/news/electrifying-the-heartland-tulsa-to-offer-free-next-generation-electric-vehicle-charging-at-popular-tulsa-destinations/ https://freewiretech.com/news/electrifying-the-heartland-tul...
- imtringued 6y ago
  The problem is that there is no infrastructure at all. Inductive charging is already a mature technology even for EVs. It's not going to change things up if nobody installs chargers.
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    Year by year there will be more infrastructure. Like these on-street pop up chargers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb5aA3Qepe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb5aA3Qepe8 Or lamppost chargers: https://thedriven.io/2020/03/24/siemens-converts-all-lamp-posts-on-residential-street-to-electric-car-chargers/ https://thedriven.io/2020/03/24/siemens-converts-all-lamp-po...
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gambiting 6y ago
Yeah I also drive a PHEV and it just doesn't work if you can't charge it at home - you might as well not bother at all. However, I think the idea going forward is that proper BEVs will charge at stupid fast rates - 150-200kW charges, giving you 200-300 miles range in just 30-40 minutes of charging. And which point, for majority of commuters, it's not completely inconceivable that once a week you just go to a "fuel station" where you plug in for 30 minutes to fill up and that lasts you the whole week of commuting, even if you can't charge anywhere in between. We're not quite there yet, but I think that's the ultimate future.
oblio 6y ago
I agree with you. But once people start having en masse these problems, things will change ASAP. It's like bike infrastructure: if there are 2 bikes on the road, nobody cares, if there are 20000 bikes on the road, everybody cares. The hardest part is getting people to care. Once you do that, they will everything in their power to make things go their way.

clouddrover 6y ago

Wireless charging would be the best solution. Charge where you park and no cables on the street: https://witricity.com/products/automotive/ https://witricity.com/products/automotive/

gambiting 6y ago
My local council barely has enough money to patch potholes in the streets, they are switching the lights off at night to save money. Yet somehow.....they will build this expensive to build and maintain infrastructure? I imagine the first answer people will have is "it's simple! We will just let the private sector handle this!" - to which I say, this is an absolutely awful idea. The charging infrastructure is already handled like this and it's an absolute mess - every charger requires a different app, from a different provider, they all have different rules and requirements, if you turn up to a charger that you don't already have an account for, good luck spending the next 15-20 minutes setting up an account and hoping it actually works(instead of giving you "unknown error occurred" like it happens in my experience, just yesterday I wanted to use a "public" charger but failed because the 1 star android app by that provider kept crashing - it's a shitshow basically). The best thing that could happen to it is either all charging infrastructure being nationalized, or at least the government introducing very strict standards like they do with petrol stations.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  > Yet somehow.....they will build this expensive to build and maintain infrastructure? Sure. Ghent is: https://www.themayor.eu/ga/ghent-speeds-up-the-transition-to-electric-vehicles https://www.themayor.eu/ga/ghent-speeds-up-the-transition-to... New York is: https://www.nypa.gov/services/clean-energy-advisory-services/evolve-ny https://www.nypa.gov/services/clean-energy-advisory-services... Tulsa is with chargers with built-in batteries for lower installation cost: https://freewiretech.com/news/electrifying-the-heartland-tulsa-to-offer-free-next-generation-electric-vehicle-charging-at-popular-tulsa-destinations/ https://freewiretech.com/news/electrifying-the-heartland-tul...
imtringued 6y ago
The problem is that there is no infrastructure at all. Inductive charging is already a mature technology even for EVs. It's not going to change things up if nobody installs chargers.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  Year by year there will be more infrastructure. Like these on-street pop up chargers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb5aA3Qepe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb5aA3Qepe8 Or lamppost chargers: https://thedriven.io/2020/03/24/siemens-converts-all-lamp-posts-on-residential-street-to-electric-car-chargers/ https://thedriven.io/2020/03/24/siemens-converts-all-lamp-po...

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gambiting 6y ago

Yeah I also drive a PHEV and it just doesn't work if you can't charge it at home - you might as well not bother at all. However, I think the idea going forward is that proper BEVs will charge at stupid fast rates - 150-200kW charges, giving you 200-300 miles range in just 30-40 minutes of charging. And which point, for majority of commuters, it's not completely inconceivable that once a week you just go to a "fuel station" where you plug in for 30 minutes to fill up and that lasts you the whole week of commuting, even if you can't charge anywhere in between. We're not quite there yet, but I think that's the ultimate future.

oblio 6y ago

I agree with you. But once people start having en masse these problems, things will change ASAP. It's like bike infrastructure: if there are 2 bikes on the road, nobody cares, if there are 20000 bikes on the road, everybody cares. The hardest part is getting people to care. Once you do that, they will everything in their power to make things go their way.