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Yes, but the point is to not have people get sick and die. Many people die even if they go to the hospital and there's plenty of respirator capacity - respirato

by geofft 6y ago

Yes, but the point is to not have people get sick and die. Many people die even if they go to the hospital and there's plenty of respirator capacity - respirators are a last-ditch effort for someone who's hardest hit by the disease. This isn't an RPG with inns that always work and take you back to 100% health no matter what. If we want to say the lockdowns have been worse, let's start by answering: 1. What is the value of a human life, in dollars? 2. What is the cost of a preventable long-term injury? (In terms of diminished inherent value of life, diminished economic impact, whatever.) 3. What is the cost of a life spent without indoor restaurants for months to years? Take 1 and 2, and weigh them against 3 + the economic losses due to lockdown.

nradov 6y ago
For federal regulatory purposes the value of a human life is about $10M. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2020/07/17/870483369/your-life-is-worth-10-million-according-to-the-government https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2020/07/17/870483369/your...
- logicchains 6y ago
  That's the value of an average life. For public health issues, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year is often used instead (e.g. by the NHS).
Consultant32452 6y ago
10,000 children per month are starving to death due to second and third order effects of the lockdowns. https://www.rt.com/news/496482-study-covid-hunger-children-lancet/ https://www.rt.com/news/496482-study-covid-hunger-children-l... The median life-span of an American is 78. The median age of death from Covid is 82. The more rational statistic is life-years lost than # of deaths. If a toddler dies, they have lost 70+ years of life. If an 80 year old dies, they might have lost just a couple years of life. Economic hardships for young adults will reduce their lifespans by several years, not counting drug and alcohol addiction, suicide, etc. If I could trade a few of my years at 80+ to ensure a better quality of life for my child I would take that in a second. Practically every parent would. The right path forward is to take appropriate precautions to protect the vulnerable while everyone else goes back to work. We may still have a lot to learn, but we know so much more about this disease than we did when we took "14 days to slow the spread." It's time to open up.
- geofft 6y ago
  The actual study seems to claim that lack of school lunches is what's responsible for those 10,000 deaths per month. I agree that this is a problem worth solving. NYC did specifically solve that problem early because people realized it would be a problem, and school lunches (and summer meals) have been available for pickup without actually going to school. Also, no part of solving this problem requires reopening restaurants. I'm glad you're willing to nobly sacrifice your life, but what if we could save those 10,000 kids per month without opening back up? What if we could save more lives by keeping essential services operational and non-essential businesses closed with targeted government interventions to keep people fed and housed? Would you be willing to do that?
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    I understand economics well enough to understand you basically asked me if I would accept Santa is real.

by geofft 6y ago

nradov 6y ago

For federal regulatory purposes the value of a human life is about $10M. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2020/07/17/870483369/your-life-is-worth-10-million-according-to-the-government https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2020/07/17/870483369/your...

logicchains 6y ago
That's the value of an average life. For public health issues, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year is often used instead (e.g. by the NHS).

Consultant32452 6y ago

10,000 children per month are starving to death due to second and third order effects of the lockdowns. https://www.rt.com/news/496482-study-covid-hunger-children-lancet/ https://www.rt.com/news/496482-study-covid-hunger-children-l... The median life-span of an American is 78. The median age of death from Covid is 82. The more rational statistic is life-years lost than # of deaths. If a toddler dies, they have lost 70+ years of life. If an 80 year old dies, they might have lost just a couple years of life. Economic hardships for young adults will reduce their lifespans by several years, not counting drug and alcohol addiction, suicide, etc. If I could trade a few of my years at 80+ to ensure a better quality of life for my child I would take that in a second. Practically every parent would. The right path forward is to take appropriate precautions to protect the vulnerable while everyone else goes back to work. We may still have a lot to learn, but we know so much more about this disease than we did when we took "14 days to slow the spread." It's time to open up.

geofft 6y ago
The actual study seems to claim that lack of school lunches is what's responsible for those 10,000 deaths per month. I agree that this is a problem worth solving. NYC did specifically solve that problem early because people realized it would be a problem, and school lunches (and summer meals) have been available for pickup without actually going to school. Also, no part of solving this problem requires reopening restaurants. I'm glad you're willing to nobly sacrifice your life, but what if we could save those 10,000 kids per month without opening back up? What if we could save more lives by keeping essential services operational and non-essential businesses closed with targeted government interventions to keep people fed and housed? Would you be willing to do that?
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  I understand economics well enough to understand you basically asked me if I would accept Santa is real.