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Affirmative action needs to die. As an Asian, I hate that I have to work harder just to get the same opportunities. Affirmative action is simply racism against

Affirmative action needs to die. As an Asian, I hate that I have to work harder just to get the same opportunities. Affirmative action is simply racism against minorities that “don’t matter” to the public narrative in favor of minorities that “do matter.” Imagine telling an Asian child that they have to work way harder because of their race. While their friends get to go out and play, they have to sit down and study because of a condition they were born with. It’s abhorrent. Now this same racism is carrying into the job market. No thanks.

wheresmycraisin 6y ago
Don't worry, lower-achieving Asian children will still be able to get into top universities through legacy admissions.
- xvector 6y ago
  Ah, another example of casual racism against Asians. You’re assuming that Asian kids have parents that went to top universities, and to hell with the ones that don’t have an opportunity like that - tough luck. Affirmative action needs to go, legacy admissions need to go. Make the changes you want by providing resources to the under-privileged regardless of race, before admissions. Don’t thrust the burden of your societal failures onto innocent children. Asian kids are not the wastebasket for society’s mistakes.
thatfrenchguy 6y ago
Fascinating how this discourse is always done by upper-middle-class people, who already have all the opportunities in the world in the United States.
- andrewstuart2 6y ago
  "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
  - xvector 6y ago
    I cannot imagine how you’d think that telling an Asian kid that they are held to a much higher bar for the same opportunities in any way exemplifies “equality.”
    - doggosphere 6y ago
      One could say the same thing about a freshman class comprising of 50% Asians, 49% white, 1% "other". Not sure it exemplifies "equality".
      - xvector 6y ago
        If you think this is the problem, the solution is not racism via restricting the opportunities of children because of their race.
sJ646U9k6c6gME9 6y ago
Come to the South: affirmative action isn’t a thing here. It’s a breath of fresh air. You’ll find that there are other freedoms that have been taken away from you in the north. All of them are alive and well here.
- doggosphere 6y ago
  Ah yes the South, where affirmative action isn't a thing, but racial divide is.
- threatofrain 6y ago
  And where is the south on the conversation for race, especially Asians and other minorities?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    About on par with the Midwest and Northeast by every metric I'm familiar with. The stereotype of the South as an atypically racist place is outdated.
    - threatofrain 6y ago
      Do those metrics include Asians? What's the story of Asians in the south?
      - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        It's a lot harder to measure how welcomed specific groups are than to measure diversity in general, but it's my (anecdotal, limited) understanding that they're reasonably welcomed. It's worth noting that South Carolina and Louisiana are the only states outside the West Coast to have elected Asian governors.
andrewstuart2 6y ago
I can't tell if you're being intentionally ironic or not. Imagine telling an Asian child that they have to work way harder because of their race. You do realize that this is exactly what marginalized races have to tell their children, right? "You will have to work harder because of the color of your skin, and it might not matter at all." I don't know how to change the fallout of centuries of race-based slavery and the immediate drop into generational poverty, outside of trying to elevate people who don't quite deserve on merit alone over others perhaps more fit for the job. If you don't value diversity, maybe just say so, but let's not pretend that there's an empathy or morality to dropping affirmative action because doing so decreases competition for great jobs among the privileged classes.
- xvector 6y ago
  > marginalized races have to tell their children [...] "You will have to work harder because of the color of your skin, and it might not matter at all." Exactly my point - this is basically word-for-word what Asian children are told. > outside of trying to elevate people who don't quite deserve on merit alone over others perhaps more fit for the job. And in doing this you condemn others simply because of their race. Ironically, in setting out to solve institutional racism, you merely reinforce it. > I don't know how to change the fallout of centuries of race-based slavery and the immediate drop into generational poverty, Provide learning opportunities to the economically underprivileged before important events like college admissions. > If you don't value diversity, maybe just say so, I value diversity. I abhor achieving diversity via methods that shift the burden of society’s mistakes onto races that people have decided do not matter.
  - andrewstuart2 6y ago
    I think I misunderstood your perspective. I thought you were saying that you considered yourself privileged and were not happy about the prospect of increased competition or higher requirements due to candidates being added to the pool. I think now that you've clarified that you're not saying this, though, but that asians are also marginalized? > Provide learning opportunities to the economically underprivileged before important events like college admissions. I appreciate the sentiment here, I really do. It's wonderful to think that with a little bit better education sprinkled in at the right time you can change an entire history of systemic oppression. Something like education is an opportunity that require a certain privilege to even take advantage of. What about when college isn't even an option because you need a job to help put food on the table? It's one thing to tell your kids that they're expected to work harder for the same success. From what I've heard directly from asian friends, that's an asian cultural thing as well. In fact, you're the first I've ever heard describe it as racism. Maybe I'm naive. It's another thing altogether for never have a chance of getting out regardless of opportunity unless that opportunity allows you to also take care of your family as you may have needed to otherwise. Maybe scholarships that also provide social safety nets for the families of children leaving for college instead of working to provide. Now maybe that fits into your idea of not being affirmative action, since it's clearly not a racial criteria, but I don't think anyone will be surprised when this has disproportionate benefits for marginalized races.

wheresmycraisin 6y ago

Don't worry, lower-achieving Asian children will still be able to get into top universities through legacy admissions.

xvector 6y ago
Ah, another example of casual racism against Asians. You’re assuming that Asian kids have parents that went to top universities, and to hell with the ones that don’t have an opportunity like that - tough luck. Affirmative action needs to go, legacy admissions need to go. Make the changes you want by providing resources to the under-privileged regardless of race, before admissions. Don’t thrust the burden of your societal failures onto innocent children. Asian kids are not the wastebasket for society’s mistakes.

thatfrenchguy 6y ago

Fascinating how this discourse is always done by upper-middle-class people, who already have all the opportunities in the world in the United States.

andrewstuart2 6y ago
"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
- xvector 6y ago
  I cannot imagine how you’d think that telling an Asian kid that they are held to a much higher bar for the same opportunities in any way exemplifies “equality.”
  - doggosphere 6y ago
    One could say the same thing about a freshman class comprising of 50% Asians, 49% white, 1% "other". Not sure it exemplifies "equality".
    - xvector 6y ago
      If you think this is the problem, the solution is not racism via restricting the opportunities of children because of their race.

sJ646U9k6c6gME9 6y ago

Come to the South: affirmative action isn’t a thing here. It’s a breath of fresh air. You’ll find that there are other freedoms that have been taken away from you in the north. All of them are alive and well here.

doggosphere 6y ago
Ah yes the South, where affirmative action isn't a thing, but racial divide is.
threatofrain 6y ago
And where is the south on the conversation for race, especially Asians and other minorities?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  About on par with the Midwest and Northeast by every metric I'm familiar with. The stereotype of the South as an atypically racist place is outdated.
  - threatofrain 6y ago
    Do those metrics include Asians? What's the story of Asians in the south?
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      It's a lot harder to measure how welcomed specific groups are than to measure diversity in general, but it's my (anecdotal, limited) understanding that they're reasonably welcomed. It's worth noting that South Carolina and Louisiana are the only states outside the West Coast to have elected Asian governors.

andrewstuart2 6y ago

I can't tell if you're being intentionally ironic or not. Imagine telling an Asian child that they have to work way harder because of their race. You do realize that this is exactly what marginalized races have to tell their children, right? "You will have to work harder because of the color of your skin, and it might not matter at all." I don't know how to change the fallout of centuries of race-based slavery and the immediate drop into generational poverty, outside of trying to elevate people who don't quite deserve on merit alone over others perhaps more fit for the job. If you don't value diversity, maybe just say so, but let's not pretend that there's an empathy or morality to dropping affirmative action because doing so decreases competition for great jobs among the privileged classes.

xvector 6y ago
> marginalized races have to tell their children [...] "You will have to work harder because of the color of your skin, and it might not matter at all." Exactly my point - this is basically word-for-word what Asian children are told. > outside of trying to elevate people who don't quite deserve on merit alone over others perhaps more fit for the job. And in doing this you condemn others simply because of their race. Ironically, in setting out to solve institutional racism, you merely reinforce it. > I don't know how to change the fallout of centuries of race-based slavery and the immediate drop into generational poverty, Provide learning opportunities to the economically underprivileged before important events like college admissions. > If you don't value diversity, maybe just say so, I value diversity. I abhor achieving diversity via methods that shift the burden of society’s mistakes onto races that people have decided do not matter.
- andrewstuart2 6y ago
  I think I misunderstood your perspective. I thought you were saying that you considered yourself privileged and were not happy about the prospect of increased competition or higher requirements due to candidates being added to the pool. I think now that you've clarified that you're not saying this, though, but that asians are also marginalized? > Provide learning opportunities to the economically underprivileged before important events like college admissions. I appreciate the sentiment here, I really do. It's wonderful to think that with a little bit better education sprinkled in at the right time you can change an entire history of systemic oppression. Something like education is an opportunity that require a certain privilege to even take advantage of. What about when college isn't even an option because you need a job to help put food on the table? It's one thing to tell your kids that they're expected to work harder for the same success. From what I've heard directly from asian friends, that's an asian cultural thing as well. In fact, you're the first I've ever heard describe it as racism. Maybe I'm naive. It's another thing altogether for never have a chance of getting out regardless of opportunity unless that opportunity allows you to also take care of your family as you may have needed to otherwise. Maybe scholarships that also provide social safety nets for the families of children leaving for college instead of working to provide. Now maybe that fits into your idea of not being affirmative action, since it's clearly not a racial criteria, but I don't think anyone will be surprised when this has disproportionate benefits for marginalized races.