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Let us assume for a moment Oracle wins this so what? Android will become illegal and then Oracle would ask Google to do what? Pay royalties? Pay Damages? Ask al

Let us assume for a moment Oracle wins this so what? Android will become illegal and then Oracle would ask Google to do what? Pay royalties? Pay Damages? Ask all the android programmers in the world to stop using Android ? Abandon android runtime? I think what is gonna happen realistically is capitalism will take over they will settle it among themselves and share user data as a bargain probably get some royalties. The worst that can happen is Google will abandon android runtime or transfer the development to Oracle. Either way nothing much is gonna happen. Android has already won now say from tomorrow Oracle develops and owns the android development toolchain, so what, from a programmers perspective nothing much.

CobrastanJorji 6y ago
Nothing much? This isn't just about the Java API. This is about EVERY API. You might not be able to write a web server anymore, depending on who owns the copyright for HTTP. You didn't invent GET, PUT, and POST, you thieving copyright abuser.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Back when I was working for Nokia, the APIs were patented, this is nothing new.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    Patents and copyrights aren't the same thing. Patenting an API makes sense, since APIs are essentially ideas. Copyrighting an API does not make sense.
    - lolc 6y ago
      You can't patent an idea. You can patent the implementation of it if you're specific enough.
      - joshuamorton 6y ago
        Well sort of. You don't need to have built the actual thing to get a patent. You cannot patent the completely generic idea of "a tool to lift people in buildings", but you can patent an elevator. Similarly, you cannot patent "the ability to scan a database", but you can patent an api for doing so, even without a complete implementation of that api.
        akersten 6y ago
        > You cannot patent the completely generic idea of "a tool to lift people in buildings", You should see some of the software patents that get approved nowadays to see just how often "idea on a computer" gets greenlit.
        ffhhj 6y ago
        Like that Sony patent from 2005 to control the brain without conducting any experiments to confirm if that even works: https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/04/4785-2/ https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/04/4785-2/
  - higerordermap 6y ago
    You and your Stockholm syndrome.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Nope, I just don't live from rainbows and happy music tunes.
  - still_grokking 6y ago
    Quite interesting claim as Nokia was still an EU company back then and software "as such" can't be patented to this day in the EU. (That's sadly not true in practice any more for some time by now as more and more software patents are granted under the notion beeing "computer aided inventions". This also overlaps with strong political will to finally lift the general ban on software patents. Thankfully some people are fighting this nonsense though[1]). [1] https://fsfe.org/activities/swpat/swpat.en.html https://fsfe.org/activities/swpat/swpat.en.html
- pankajdoharey 6y ago
  I dont think so, Webserver are based on HTTP protocol which is an Open web standard published by IETF. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231 It could be copyrighted but its usage doesn't mean you are thieving it. For instance "Linux" is a copyright owned by Linus Torvalds, Redhat isnt thieving it. Your understanding is incorrect here.
  - still_grokking 6y ago
    > It could be copyrighted but its usage doesn't mean you are thieving it. Says who? Oracle is claiming exactly the opposite, and if they win this will become "law" in the USA. I think you've missed the whole point of this issue here. > For instance "Linux" is a copyright owned by Linus Torvalds… For starters: Linux™ is a trademark, not "a copyright". > Your understanding is incorrect here. It seems, at least to me, that you actually missed a few core point of the whole story. ;-)

CobrastanJorji 6y ago

Nothing much? This isn't just about the Java API. This is about EVERY API. You might not be able to write a web server anymore, depending on who owns the copyright for HTTP. You didn't invent GET, PUT, and POST, you thieving copyright abuser.

pjmlp 6y ago
Back when I was working for Nokia, the APIs were patented, this is nothing new.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  Patents and copyrights aren't the same thing. Patenting an API makes sense, since APIs are essentially ideas. Copyrighting an API does not make sense.
  - lolc 6y ago
    You can't patent an idea. You can patent the implementation of it if you're specific enough.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      Well sort of. You don't need to have built the actual thing to get a patent. You cannot patent the completely generic idea of "a tool to lift people in buildings", but you can patent an elevator. Similarly, you cannot patent "the ability to scan a database", but you can patent an api for doing so, even without a complete implementation of that api.
      - akersten 6y ago
        > You cannot patent the completely generic idea of "a tool to lift people in buildings", You should see some of the software patents that get approved nowadays to see just how often "idea on a computer" gets greenlit.
        ffhhj 6y ago
        Like that Sony patent from 2005 to control the brain without conducting any experiments to confirm if that even works: https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/04/4785-2/ https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/04/4785-2/
- higerordermap 6y ago
  You and your Stockholm syndrome.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Nope, I just don't live from rainbows and happy music tunes.
- still_grokking 6y ago
  Quite interesting claim as Nokia was still an EU company back then and software "as such" can't be patented to this day in the EU. (That's sadly not true in practice any more for some time by now as more and more software patents are granted under the notion beeing "computer aided inventions". This also overlaps with strong political will to finally lift the general ban on software patents. Thankfully some people are fighting this nonsense though[1]). [1] https://fsfe.org/activities/swpat/swpat.en.html https://fsfe.org/activities/swpat/swpat.en.html
pankajdoharey 6y ago
I dont think so, Webserver are based on HTTP protocol which is an Open web standard published by IETF. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231 It could be copyrighted but its usage doesn't mean you are thieving it. For instance "Linux" is a copyright owned by Linus Torvalds, Redhat isnt thieving it. Your understanding is incorrect here.
- still_grokking 6y ago
  > It could be copyrighted but its usage doesn't mean you are thieving it. Says who? Oracle is claiming exactly the opposite, and if they win this will become "law" in the USA. I think you've missed the whole point of this issue here. > For instance "Linux" is a copyright owned by Linus Torvalds… For starters: Linux™ is a trademark, not "a copyright". > Your understanding is incorrect here. It seems, at least to me, that you actually missed a few core point of the whole story. ;-)