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Curious, you didn't agree with the ME work that got 3 nobel peace prize nominations?

seanmcdirmid 6y ago
I don't think we disagree with it, it just isn't very significant. A couple of city states agreeing to recognize Israel? Ok, a nice step forward, but it doesn't seem very substantial or that a real solution is in the works.
- not_a_moth 6y ago
  One of the nominators said: "Trump has broken a 39-year-old streak of American Presidents either starting a war or bringing the United States into an international armed conflict." Isn't this significant?
  - hiram112 6y ago
    Even doubly as funny when you go back to 2016 and the biggest haters were screaming REEEEEEE because he was sure to start WW3.
  - originalvichy 6y ago
    How low is your bar for peace medal worthy efforts? If not starting wars is an achievement there’s a bloody long line of heads of state ready to receive one. And yes I do realize the bar was set low by the previous president.
    - not_a_moth 6y ago
      Sorry the discussion is about the commenter not agreeing with any previous policies of the president. If you don't think this quote marks an important shift in American policy I'm not sure you follow American policy.
- refurb 6y ago
  How familiar would you rate yourself with Middle East politics? From people I know who are quite deep into it, it’s actually a very significant change to the geopolitical balance of the region that will likely have a lot of ramifications going forward.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    Answers vary with whether someone is a Trump supporter or not, but again, these are city states, not Iran, not even "almost Israel ally at this point" Saudi Arabia. He also has made no progress with the Palestinians, and has gone plenty backwards on the front (forcing Serbia to move their embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, huh?).
    - refurb 6y ago
      All valid points, but at least the perspective I've heard is it's breaking up the "pro-Palestinian block" somewhat, so definitely changing the power dynamics, and impacting the Palestinian situation as they are losing potential allies. And as for Iran, it's pulling countries away from their sphere of influence. Who knows whether it will be a positive push in the right direction, but it's certainly changing the dynamics of the region.
      - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
        > I've heard is it's breaking up the "pro-Palestinian block" somewhat If your goal is to screw the Palestinains, this is a good thing. Otherwise, they should have a voice. > And as for Iran, it's pulling countries away from their sphere of influence. This is a nonsensical statement: those Sunni countries are already deeply opposed to Shiite Iran even more than they are to Israel.
- diebeforei485 6y ago
  For context the UAE's population and GDP are both larger than Israel (though not by much, they are very comparable).
dodobirdlord 6y ago
Nobel peace prize nominations don’t mean much.

I don't think we disagree with it, it just isn't very significant. A couple of city states agreeing to recognize Israel? Ok, a nice step forward, but it doesn't seem very substantial or that a real solution is in the works.

not_a_moth 6y ago
One of the nominators said: "Trump has broken a 39-year-old streak of American Presidents either starting a war or bringing the United States into an international armed conflict." Isn't this significant?
- hiram112 6y ago
  Even doubly as funny when you go back to 2016 and the biggest haters were screaming REEEEEEE because he was sure to start WW3.
- originalvichy 6y ago
  How low is your bar for peace medal worthy efforts? If not starting wars is an achievement there’s a bloody long line of heads of state ready to receive one. And yes I do realize the bar was set low by the previous president.
  - not_a_moth 6y ago
    Sorry the discussion is about the commenter not agreeing with any previous policies of the president. If you don't think this quote marks an important shift in American policy I'm not sure you follow American policy.
refurb 6y ago
How familiar would you rate yourself with Middle East politics? From people I know who are quite deep into it, it’s actually a very significant change to the geopolitical balance of the region that will likely have a lot of ramifications going forward.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  Answers vary with whether someone is a Trump supporter or not, but again, these are city states, not Iran, not even "almost Israel ally at this point" Saudi Arabia. He also has made no progress with the Palestinians, and has gone plenty backwards on the front (forcing Serbia to move their embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, huh?).
  - refurb 6y ago
    All valid points, but at least the perspective I've heard is it's breaking up the "pro-Palestinian block" somewhat, so definitely changing the power dynamics, and impacting the Palestinian situation as they are losing potential allies. And as for Iran, it's pulling countries away from their sphere of influence. Who knows whether it will be a positive push in the right direction, but it's certainly changing the dynamics of the region.
    - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
      > I've heard is it's breaking up the "pro-Palestinian block" somewhat If your goal is to screw the Palestinains, this is a good thing. Otherwise, they should have a voice. > And as for Iran, it's pulling countries away from their sphere of influence. This is a nonsensical statement: those Sunni countries are already deeply opposed to Shiite Iran even more than they are to Israel.
diebeforei485 6y ago
For context the UAE's population and GDP are both larger than Israel (though not by much, they are very comparable).

dodobirdlord 6y ago

Nobel peace prize nominations don’t mean much.