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Cellmate: Male chastity gadget hack could lock users in
- Minor49er 6y agoI imagine that this would actually be a selling point for some buyers
- qdot76367 6y agoThis thing has been an absolute nightmare since it was released 18 months ago. I've had a few people contact me (note: https://buttplug.io https://buttplug.io (NSFW) is my project, I get contacted about stuff like this all the time, someday I will write a book about various support stories) with their hardware stuck on. There have been multiple security issues reported, and the company really seems to have no clue how to deal with the tech. Not only that, they're doubling down on their production of unsafe equipment, including their newest toy (Link NSFW): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001341771957.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001341771957.html
- kerblang 6y ago> stuff like this Do tell!
- spiderfarmer 6y agoNightmare fuel.
- ben_w 6y ago> link “According to local laws and regulations, this item could not be shown.” Dare I ask?
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- ArchOversight 6y agoButtplug that expands outwards, and has bluetooth.
- ficklepickle 6y agoReminiscent of the medieval pear of anguish.
- pixxel 6y agoFor those that are intrigued, here is image of the device (nothing graphic). It’s only partially open... https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/open-pear-og.jpg https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads...
- ghostpepper 6y agoI will assert that whether or not an image is graphic is a matter of imagination.
- simonswords82 6y agoWhere are you that you're having your Internet censored?
- lsiebert 6y agoaliexpress does that for anything on mobile that it thinks is sex related, which is occasionally annoying when it gets something wrong, but is definitely not wrong in this situation.
- cinntaile 6y agoI can access that link just fine on mobile. You probably live in a more prude part of the world if you can't access that link on mobile.
- ben_w 6y agoI’m in Berlin. The spinny billboards arrive here advertise brothels, the fly posters say “Bleib Ruhig und Dildos benutzen” and “There is no I in anal”, and one of the largest hotels has a neon sculpture of Leda and the Swan, at least two stories tall, out front.
- londons_explore 6y agoIn the UK, the AliExpress mobile site gets me to click "Yes, I am over 18" before letting me open it.
- cinntaile 6y agoNot sure if I understand you correctly. Do you mean that you can't access the link either and that living in a more prude country therefore is not a relevant factor here?
- paranoidrobot 6y ago> living in a more prude country I think they're trying to say that given there's open advertising of various sex related things, that Germany isn't exactly prudish.
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- dayofthedaleks 6y agoIt's a Reverse-Ratcheting Self-Sealing Stem Bolt. You won't find a better one in the quadrant!
- ce4 6y agoHere's an archived version: https://archive.is/7JKCH https://archive.is/7JKCH
- eatingCake 6y ago> someday I will write a book That would make a great coffee-table book. Some image on one page and a short narrative on the opposing page.
- srtjstjsj 6y agoSmart consumers won't buy a $10 memory card on Ali because it's likely to be a destructive fake, but people will buy Internet-controlled electronics for their favorite nether regions of their bodies. Amazing. I guess that's part of the thrill.
- ebg13 6y agoBeing aware of specific marketplace corruption isn't the same as being smart, and vice versa. And there's no reason to believe that the set of people buying these devices is the same as the set of people not buying memory cards.
- vsareto 6y ago>I guess that's part of the thrill. Yeah looking forward to the day where passing unit tests results in a Neuralink-induced orgasm
- kortex 6y agoUntil a sizeable chunk of the world's workforce is erotically DDOS'd into blissful oblivion. Mmm cyberpunk.
- qdot76367 6y agoWe've got some azure pipelines tasks on buttplug.io in the works that may facilitate this.
- NikolaeVarius 6y agoGodforbid there is accidental race scenario
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y agoI mean, if it has a webhook, you can probably fire it on success or failure from Jenkins...
- cheschire 6y agoFor as cheesy as 90's sci-fi was, Demolition Man was surprisingly prescient about little things like this. Physical coitus becomes a disgusting act akin to taking a shit, so it becomes a virtual shared experience that creates the feelings between two relative strangers without the various risks.
- paledot 6y agoButtplug.io is officially my new favourite domain name.
- yowlingcat 6y agoEven the TLD choice is apropos.
- Igelau 6y agoThis is a case where the right TLD makes all the difference. If it were .biz, no one in their right mind is going to click that. Org must have already been taken.
- yowlingcat 6y agoNow now, we are surely spoiled for choice these days [1]. A savvy operator could easily have snagged buttplug.holdings. Or even my personal favorite -- buttplug.fishing. [1] https://www.hover.com/domains/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=buttplug https://www.hover.com/domains/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=buttp...
- qdot76367 6y agoMy personal buttplug domain collection includes: http://buttplug.engineer http://buttplug.engineer - My personal website http://butt.engineering http://butt.engineering - My company website (http://nonpolynomial.com http://nonpolynomial.com) buttplug.zone/games/cam/online/tech/work/app - Going to point to various parts of my Intiface product line at some point. Games should probably be pointed at https://intiface.com/ghr https://intiface.com/ghr for now.
- jsrcout 6y ago> http://buttplug.engineer http://buttplug.engineer Fantastic domain name. Too bad it's too long for a license plate :-)
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- TaylorAlexander 6y agoWow that product looks extremely dangerous! Sharp corners, pinch points, and a lock? Extremely irresponsible to manufacture that. I’m not sure if y’all appreciate how fragile that area is and the potential for serious injury from something like this.
- falcolas 6y agoYeah, things like this used to be utilized as torture devices - with the apt name of the Pear of Anguish.
- kortex 6y agoReminds me of my visit to the Museum of Torture in Italy. Quasi-NSFW-ish but nothing gory, still, proceed with caution if you are squeamish. http://www.torturemuseum.it/en/ http://www.torturemuseum.it/en/
- matthewcanty 6y agoI went there with my girlfriend about 5 years ago. We still laugh that it made us feel a bit unwell and had to leave. Would still recommend.
- konjin 6y agoThe mind boggles at the possibilities.
- YarickR2 6y agowhile body parts shrink after reading "lock and clamp"
- agoodthrowaway 6y agoThat thing is horrific. It looks so dangerous and how would one ever remove it when it’s locked in someone’s body and can’t be unlocked?
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoYou don't hear this much because people don't want to admit it but its almost always possible to remove these things with a bit of effort and maybe some lube.
- nix23 6y agoOk that made my day 'buttplug.io' what a hilarious name!! Thanks
- gmoore 6y agoJust because you CAN connect something to the internet doesn't mean that you SHOULD
- aaomidi 6y agoWell there are many reasons for this specific instance of this being internet connected
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoIf this actually worked well and was designed by a very security and privacy respecting company than it would actually be pretty neat. Long distance sex toys are popular for a reason.
- cblconfederate 6y agoTeledildonics is an inherently social technology. It's the future of facebook (buttbook?) They need a secure protocol though. Something anonymous and hard to break like a blockchain or sth better. The perpetuation of our species is at stake.
- golf5 6y agoThis is highly relevant to HN users.
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- dang 6y agoCould you please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=community%20identity%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
- greycol 6y agoWhile the headline certainly is having a device like this needing to be ground open the other privacy concerns are quite possibly worse. Being able to track both the name of who bought it and the location of someone using a device like this has got to be a near classic example of private information that hurts no one but could severely damage a person if it got out.
- kennywinker 6y agoTHIS! The headline is about them getting locked on, because that's funny, but the buried lead is actually this: > The security researchers said they discovered a way to fool the server into disclosing the registered name of each device owner, among other personal details, as well as the co-ordinates of every location from where the app had been used. That's some really sensitive info, with the potential to destroy some lives, or be used as blackmail material.
- mindfulhack 6y agoI wish society were more sex-positive, stopped considering matters of sexuality or sexual activity to be so controversial, and stopped responding to them with such moral outrage to the point that your personal sexual activity could be considered something blackmail-worthy! (I think this is a bigger problem in America than Europe.) In either case, indeed, we need privacy (because other countries have terrible persecution around matters of mere sexuality) and as much maturity as we can muster when discussing it. I'm so proud of how mature this comment section is. Not a single giggling sexual joke in sight - at least here up at the top. Other sites would be riddled with it, with nothing serious discussed.
- destxD 6y agoLook at the map, one of the sample users is in Qatar! This could end way really, really badly; it is even more concerning after reading about the recent grinder fiasco with the Egyptian government.
- nemoniac 6y ago"The internet-linked sheath has no manual override"
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- geocrasher 6y agoPenetration Testers Pwn Penetration Prevention Product, Preventing Possibly Prevalent Penetration Prevention Problems.
- qdot76367 6y agoYou have a bright future as a copy editor at The Register.
- portlander52232 6y ago... pen pensive plaint about it
- Igelau 6y agoGuangdong Dong Lock Hack: Prick Release Fixed in Release.
- hackerfromthefu 6y agoGold, Gold!
- vchak1 6y agoPerhaps Protecting Penitent Persona.
- mPReDiToR 6y agoI was told years ago: Avoid alliteration, always.
- pengaru 6y agoWe'll inevitably see similar headlines about internet-connected, autonomous-capable automobiles. It's only a matter of time given the trajectory we seem to be on, and I fear the consequences will be a whole lot worse than some embarrassing fire department visits involving bolt cutters.
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoPeople have already hacked tesla's APIs allowing them to see the location and details of random users.
- vfclists 6y agoAnyone who is stupid enough to wear such a device deserves to get locked in. When I saw the name Cellmate I thought it was meant to keep Bubba and the Booty Warriors under control.
- nightfly 6y agoBrings whole new meaning to vendor lock-in
- gweinberg 6y agoProbably for the best.
- DannyB2 6y agoDigital Liberty! It's about how to protect your bits. Not just about intellectual property any more.
- kinnth 6y agowait, how does that work!?
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoYou stick your dick and balls in to it and join the ring with the shaft part which then locks using a servo motor and can't (easily) be removed without the app sending the unlock command.
- BlasDeLezo 6y agoI think I'll pass, thanks
- pixxel 6y agoI’ve stared at the product image for a couple of minutes now. I’m none the wiser on how it works. Heyho.
- jkhdigital 6y agoI think the jewels hang in between the bar and the sheath...
- jedberg 6y agoYeah, but then what?
- pixxel 6y agoWe’re gonna need a napkin doodle...
- greycol 6y agoSo looking at it it's 2 parts that get locked together. A ring part that you place the shaft and balls through. Then the container that when placed over the shaft and locked to the ring leaves a gap the balls can no longer get through. Thus it is attached until the lock is released and the ring and container are separated again. It's a chastity device so the point is that when it's on you can't actually do anything sexual with the contained bits (or maybe it's painful if aroused and some get off on that). The secondary sexual goals are any emotional arousal from fear/trust/control/submission/etc.
- jedberg 6y agoAh gotcha. So it's the act of being restrained that provides the gratification, and being under someone else's control.
- 082349872349872 6y agoI must admit I'd far rather people get their restraint jollies with devices like this than by electing politicians to provide fear/trust/control/submission for all.
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- Zenst 6y agoI didn't see what type of battery it has, but imagine having a non-solid state lithium based battery locked to a part of your body - anywhere. That type of device failing in an epic way with flames and no way to remove it in time - just seems like that's a latent headline just awaiting. Even worse - most people would panic and chuck water upon it. Wondering what is the safest thing to put upon a lithium based fire household McGyver wise and more go to would be flour (layer coating to starve oxygen and non conductive), or some aerosol can I can turn upside down and blast with cold non flammable gas. Though like most as a rule of thumb - I try not to get that attached to my gadget addiction.
- WraithM 6y agoFlour is a very very bad fire retardant! It would do the opposite.
- gnopgnip 6y agoBaking soda or salt is preferable for putting out a fire. Or sand or kitty litter. Water as a last resort. Flour and baking power can be flammable
- jacksnipe 6y agoDo not put flour on fires. It’s practically explosive.
- extrapickles 6y agoAlmost all aerosol cans use a flammable gas (they are cheap, have a high expansion ratio, and are low pressure liquids). Flour, sugar and other powders found in the kitchen can actually be explosive if they are mixed with air correctly (eg: when tossed onto a flame). Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is probably the only improvised item in the kitchen that you should use to put out fires. A kitchen should have a fire extinguisher that is BC or ABC that would be best for the first attempt at putting out the fire. Even though water is not ideal, if you have a large source of it (eg: Pool, lake, firehose, etc), it will be your best option as it can cool faster than a small battery can generate heat. A garden hose or bathtub faucet might be able to supply enough water if the battery is relatively small.
- Thorentis 6y agoServes them right for literally locking their penis in a vice. What have we come to as a species?
- EForEndeavour 6y agoI mean, this chastity thing is weird to me too, but "serves them right?" Assuming consent, I feel the answer to badly implemented sex gear should be well-implemented sex gear, not no sex gear at all. "What have we come to as a species" is an expression of shock better saved for things like our species' propensity to torture and kill unwilling victims. That's fucked up.
- Thorentis 6y agoIt was more an expression of dismay at the lack of evolutionary fitness these actions are displaying. Your fitness is literally measured by your ability to reproduce, and here are people locking their penis inside a device that a) it intended for somebody else to control (weird) b) is actually defective and they ended up being stuck inside it, and worst case could've set their member on fire. Somebody give them a Darwin award. So no, I don't think such an expression is better saved for other things, though of course I agree it could be applied to those things too.
- evan_ 6y agothat's a bad metric. If our ancient ancestors sat on a rock staring at a flickering rectangle for 8 hours a day they'd be eaten by tigers, but we're doing OK.
- rsynnott 6y agoThough, even in the being-eaten-by-a-tiger era, we apparently had sex toys; examples of dildos from 30,000 years ago, and maybe longer, have been found.
- Kinrany 6y agoOptimising for evolutionary fitness is about as productive as moving things downstairs to help gravity.
- Drblessing 6y agoOuch
- cblconfederate 6y agoOpen the pod bay doors, HAL
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y agoEspecially with that pear thing posted above (resembling a medieval torture device), this creates a whole new class of ransomware.
- lethologica 6y agoGiven the name, I thought this was being used on prisoners. These devices terrify me, from a security perspective, and from a physical safety perspective. Kudos to whoever is brave enough to use one I suppose.
- throwaway99888 6y agoThe name and its "design" seems to hint at something to be used in prison. Does anybody know if my guess is correct?
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoNo not at all. Its marketed at the bdsm/kink community. I have seen the product mentioned a lot in IM groups over the last few months.
- sullyj3 6y agoThat would be a pretty severe human rights violation
- unstatusthequo 6y agoThey’ve enabled dick Ransomware. Amazing!
- heliodor 6y agoI'm having a hard time coming up with a scenario in which the user of such a device would not be in an abusive situation. Any examples?
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- boofgod 6y agoSomeone once told me that these cock cage devices are more dangerous than they seem. Some of these fetishists wear them for weeks or months so that they arent able to get a full erection for a long period of time. It's all fun and games until they finally take it off and realize it's not the same. It turns out if you don't use it, you lose it.
- FriendlyNormie 6y agoDisgusting degenerate. Die.
- qdot76367 6y agoThat sounds fairly urban legendy, though it can depend on the user and their anatomy, of course. I know many people who've used or worked with these devices for years and that has not been the case for them. That said, due to the types of cage mechanics, weight and makeup of different cage materials, etc, there is definitely the possibility of some physical issues, including some nerve issues. It usually just things like skin irritations and discomfort though. These days, there are a LOT of knockoffs of the major brands (like the Holy Trainer series) that are made with seriously questionable materials that don't have temperature tolerance/reforming, are missing edge filleting, etc. So if you do decide to engage in this sort of play, do your homework, read reviews, talk to communities, and don't order some random cheap thing off AliExpress.
- thrway_chastity 6y agoThe penis also lacks muscles (which do atrophy with lack of use). The more reputable reports from long-term wearers suggest that the plumbing still works even with near constant wear, provided that care is taken to ejaculate once in a while (e.g., monthly). Because the purpose of male chastity devices is to prevent erections and orgasms, long-term wearers (who are a minority compared to the amount of folk who use such as device as a form of (prolonged) foreplay or as part of an erotic roleplaying scenario) may achieve such an ejaculation by means of a prostate massage (i.e., 'milking' him). The health goal here is mainly to keep the prostate healthy though. Chafing, pinching, skin irritations; those are common health related issues though. > and don't order some random cheap thing off AliExpress. Or do, just to explore the different models cheaply, but treat them as novelty items. And yes, do read up on reviews, or ask in online communities. This is, quite emphatically, not a one-size-fits-all item.
- anonu 6y agoI have a feeling like the Lock Picking Lawyer would have no problem here.
- spaceflunky 6y agoSomeone please send him one
- ufmace 6y agoHe already opened a simpler model. With a piece of condom wrapper, naturally. https://youtu.be/1uEYveSssok https://youtu.be/1uEYveSssok
- alphachloride 6y agoNoah, get the boat
- Semaphor 6y agoInternet of Dongs (Teledildonics security site, probably NSFW) has an article [0] detailing their interaction with reporting vulnerabilities to the company. [0]: https://internetofdon.gs/qiui-chastity-cage/ https://internetofdon.gs/qiui-chastity-cage/
- charliebrownau 6y agoJust go MGTOW Stop simping walk away from women, female friends and "helping" females
- grawprog 6y ago>The cage wirelessly connects to a smartphone via a Bluetooth signal, which is used to trigger the device's lock-and-clamp mechanism. >But to achieve this, the software relies on sending commands to a computer server used by the manufacturer. Wow...huh...as far as security holes go, that's not even an open back door, you might as well not even have a wall.... >Pen Test Partners believe about 40,000 devices have been sold based on the number of IDs that have been granted by its Guangdong-based creator. So ~40000 people are having commands for their Bluetooth powered chastity belt sent to and from a server in China.. I personally can't think of any company I'd feel comfortable having something like that being handled remotely, let alone some mystery company in China...
- ponker 6y agoMan, I can see both sides of the Amazon Echo argument but I can’t imagine putting a Chinese IoT gadget on my Johnson.
- mariuolo 6y agoThere's another aspect that bothers me: given how many IoT manufacturers tend to shut down their servers after a while, what's going to happen the day the app cannot communicate with the gizmo in question? Will every user remain locked for good?
- Traster 6y agoIt's always important to build your software such that it fails safe. Now, people may disagree what the definition of failing safe is in this case :)
- audiometry 6y agoLike a nuclear sub. If they can’t pick up bbc world service for a day, assume the world is over and proceed accordingly.
- am_lu 6y agoDremel job for a freelance hardware hacker :-)