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Can’t you fail them during the previous year, where they don’t have enough grades to graduate ? That’s the system in France, where public schools can’t refuse

by hrktb 6y ago

Can’t you fail them during the previous year, where they don’t have enough grades to graduate ? That’s the system in France, where public schools can’t refuse kids, but those kids can only move classes if they passed. If you aren’t interested in studying you’ll spend your life in middle school until you’re 16 and just drop out.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
In the US, graduation rate is seen as the primary metric of public school quality, so policies that encourage people not to graduate aren't feasible. (One of our most famous educational reforms was named the No Child Left Behind Act, on the principle that in an ideal world not a single child would fail to graduate high school.)
csa 6y ago
> Can’t you fail them during the previous year, where they don’t have enough grades to graduate Theoretically this can happen, but in practice it is very rare.
AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
A school not graduating a child essentially admits its teachers are not good enough to put some basic knowledge into this child's head. No school wants to be in such position.
- ericd 6y ago
  Are you saying that the students bear no responsibility, or that it’s our current attitude that teachers can somehow coerce people to learn?
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    The really scary thing is that world-wise bloggers like Scott Aaronson and Siderea think that bullying is an inevitable fact of going to school. Those of us that grew up outside the US know different.
    - jcranmer 6y ago
      Where, pray tell, do you live that bullying is nonexistent? The surveys that I've seen show that bullying is pretty universal. About ⅓ of students worldwide are bullied at some point in their education, and these rates don't change all that much from country to country, although the form of bullying does have drastic differences. (Notably, Europe and the US tend to have less physical bullying and more psychological bullying compared to the rest of the world).
- hrktb 6y ago
  That's surely where the financing model is important. Schools here get money based on the number of students, and the dispatch of teachers is done at a region level depending on the needs. A school with "bad" teachers would just get better teachers if it was warranted (in practice, everyone understands why kids are failing, and they'll send low experience teachers instead, because fuck them, I guess)

by hrktb 6y ago

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

In the US, graduation rate is seen as the primary metric of public school quality, so policies that encourage people not to graduate aren't feasible. (One of our most famous educational reforms was named the No Child Left Behind Act, on the principle that in an ideal world not a single child would fail to graduate high school.)

csa 6y ago

> Can’t you fail them during the previous year, where they don’t have enough grades to graduate Theoretically this can happen, but in practice it is very rare.

AlexTWithBeard 6y ago

A school not graduating a child essentially admits its teachers are not good enough to put some basic knowledge into this child's head. No school wants to be in such position.

ericd 6y ago
Are you saying that the students bear no responsibility, or that it’s our current attitude that teachers can somehow coerce people to learn?
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  The really scary thing is that world-wise bloggers like Scott Aaronson and Siderea think that bullying is an inevitable fact of going to school. Those of us that grew up outside the US know different.
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    Where, pray tell, do you live that bullying is nonexistent? The surveys that I've seen show that bullying is pretty universal. About ⅓ of students worldwide are bullied at some point in their education, and these rates don't change all that much from country to country, although the form of bullying does have drastic differences. (Notably, Europe and the US tend to have less physical bullying and more psychological bullying compared to the rest of the world).
hrktb 6y ago
That's surely where the financing model is important. Schools here get money based on the number of students, and the dispatch of teachers is done at a region level depending on the needs. A school with "bad" teachers would just get better teachers if it was warranted (in practice, everyone understands why kids are failing, and they'll send low experience teachers instead, because fuck them, I guess)