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> You mean the people who grew up without an opportunity in the world resort to crime to try to stay afloat? What opportunities do people who end up criminals

> You mean the people who grew up without an opportunity in the world resort to crime to try to stay afloat? What opportunities do people who end up criminals lack that immigrants or refugees have? Let's narrow it down to countries without slavery in their past to simplify matters. > What makes you think they DO NOT want to be a productive member of society given the proper opportunity? I didn't make the claim that they do or do not. If you claim there is a teapot in outer space, the onus is you to prove it, not on me to disprove that there isn't.

Igelau 6y ago
If this account is really going to invoke the celestial teapot as a defense against accepting that there are ex-cons who want to have a normal life, its handlers should shut it down and retrain the algorithm.
- alexashka 6y ago
  Celestial teapot is a defense against people making claims without providing sufficient evidence to support it. By invoking the celestial teapot, I am not taking the opposite position of the one being made, I am taking the position of a rationalist who only accepts claims when sufficient evidence is presented. Let me illustrate with an example: A: Elephants are pink. B: What makes you say they're pink? A: How can you claim elephants are not pink?! B: Huh? See celestial teapot (I never said they are not pink) A: If you're going to use the celestial teapot as a defense for elephants not being pink... B: ...
  - tommica 6y ago
    > What makes you think they want to be a 'productive member of society'? The same answer as you would have to the question "what makes you want to be a 'productive member of a society'?"
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Only you're claiming that past criminals don't want to be productive members of society on a thread wherein multiple people with criminal pasts are demonstrably productive members of society, damn the hurdles they faced from society in achieving that. This isn't a teapot situation, this is you ignoring the evidence at hand and whinging about the color of elephants.
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  - Igelau 6y ago
    It also needs to learn to parse other threads for facts and reply with more than just a keyword definition. This is ELIZA-level bot programming.
mrlala 6y ago
Not responding to a troll account, have a great day.
lopmotr 6y ago
Criminals often have severe psychological problems that immigrants don't have. Their mothers didn't love them (that's surprisingly important!), their caregivers neglected or abused them. They have intellectual disabilities or mental illness. They can't just shake off the way their brain was programmed since birth.

Igelau 6y ago

If this account is really going to invoke the celestial teapot as a defense against accepting that there are ex-cons who want to have a normal life, its handlers should shut it down and retrain the algorithm.

alexashka 6y ago
Celestial teapot is a defense against people making claims without providing sufficient evidence to support it. By invoking the celestial teapot, I am not taking the opposite position of the one being made, I am taking the position of a rationalist who only accepts claims when sufficient evidence is presented. Let me illustrate with an example: A: Elephants are pink. B: What makes you say they're pink? A: How can you claim elephants are not pink?! B: Huh? See celestial teapot (I never said they are not pink) A: If you're going to use the celestial teapot as a defense for elephants not being pink... B: ...
- tommica 6y ago
  > What makes you think they want to be a 'productive member of society'? The same answer as you would have to the question "what makes you want to be a 'productive member of a society'?"
- klyrs 6y ago
  Only you're claiming that past criminals don't want to be productive members of society on a thread wherein multiple people with criminal pasts are demonstrably productive members of society, damn the hurdles they faced from society in achieving that. This isn't a teapot situation, this is you ignoring the evidence at hand and whinging about the color of elephants.
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- Igelau 6y ago
  It also needs to learn to parse other threads for facts and reply with more than just a keyword definition. This is ELIZA-level bot programming.

mrlala 6y ago

Not responding to a troll account, have a great day.

lopmotr 6y ago

Criminals often have severe psychological problems that immigrants don't have. Their mothers didn't love them (that's surprisingly important!), their caregivers neglected or abused them. They have intellectual disabilities or mental illness. They can't just shake off the way their brain was programmed since birth.