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Down-vote me if you’d like, but the opposite is also true, in many regards: Where I come from (Germany), (public) schooling is seen as a way to indoctrinate ch

Down-vote me if you’d like, but the opposite is also true, in many regards: Where I come from (Germany), (public) schooling is seen as a way to indoctrinate children to their government’s political agenda (call it a religion if you like). So as always, it depends: good parents, good home schooling. Bad parents, bad home schooling. Replace “parents” with “government” and you get the same message. Edit: As a German myself I’d like to add that your question reflects an attitude of the socialist/communist German Democratic Republic (you also know it as “DDR”): family is nothing, government is all. You leave all thinking and your responsibilities to the political agenda and world view of your political “leaders”. Is that a world you’d like to live in (again)?

Ancapistani 6y ago
As I’m sure you can infer from my username, keeping our children out of state-run schools is a primary motivating factor for us.
- war1025 6y ago
  > As I’m sure you can infer from my username For the record, I've seen you reference your username before and I still don't entirely understand what the word means, though I did look it up at one point.
  - anchpop 6y ago
    Anarcho-capitalism is a similar ideology to libertarianism, only more extreme. Proponents are called Anarcho-capitalists or "ancaps" for short. The idea seems to involve being able to start a private alternative to government (with your own private police force enforcing your own laws, etc.)
    - Ancapistani 6y ago
      Yep - close enough for an overview.
      - rorykoehler 6y ago
        Why don’t you move to Mexico where the cartels have already installed an anarcho-capitalist state?
        rhexs 6y ago
        Probably for a reason similar to that classic maxim “real communism has never been tried”.
        Ancapistani 6y ago
        Nah, not at all. The closest thing to an “Ancap society” that has been implemented was probably the Icelandic Commonwealth. It lasted for a bit over three centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth
        Polylactic_acid 6y ago
        Because it sounds funny to own recreational nukes or hire the McPolice but in reality you wouldn't want any of it.
        zo1 6y ago
        Why do you feel so strongly about it that you have to derail the discussion with a cheap/petty jab that adds very little to the conversation? At least in this thread it was mostly civil and borne out of curiosity on the topic. It's akin to me saying "Oh, such a lovely well-functioning government and society you have there that allows X-thousands of people to die of treatable medical issues every year and Y-thousands of people to be living on the streets homeless and without any assistance, and watches idly as millions die of malaria and hunger across the ocean".
        rorykoehler 6y ago
        You’re not wrong in your second paragraph. We should be doing a lot better than we are on so many fronts.
k__ 6y ago
My family fled from the DDR regime back in the days. I'm not saying public schools are the non plus ultra, I'm just saying that they are a good way to meet people from different backgrounds early on. Also, I didn't have the impression all of my teachers were very "pro government". They were a very diverse bunch politically speaking.
- blumomo 6y ago
  I also find schools a good place to meet different people. However ask your parents if your teachers (even if not pro-DDR) were able to speak freely? Would you like to have teachers who speak through a mental/political filter?
- primrose 6y ago
  "I'm just saying that they are a good way to meet people from different backgrounds early on." Or hate the people your government tells you to hate.
surge 6y ago
Yeah, people are quick to point out extreme cases, but ignore the kids who come out of schools with socialization issues. Bad parenting is bad parenting. There are also just as many if not more students who come out of public schools undereducated, and struggle in life. It's weird how even though test scores are better with home school students, and its even seen as superior by Ivy leagues because it often produces the kind of qualities they seek. https://www.businessinsider.com/homeschooling-is-the-new-path-to-harvard-2015-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/homeschooling-is-the-new-pat... https://ideapod.com/born-creative-geniuses-education-system-dumbs-us-according-nasa-scientists/ https://ideapod.com/born-creative-geniuses-education-system-... In a home school, you can dress as Batman if you want. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/new-research-finds-that-kids-aged-4-6-perform-better-during-boring-tasks-when-dressed-as-batman https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/new-research-finds-th... People post here all the time interesting new studies about child brain development, they put kids all in the same grade but studies show the brain develops vastly in 3-6 months at a young age and surprise, the kids that are born at the right time so they're the oldest in their class perform better on average. There are studies about the need for more sleep in adolescents, etc. Has schools adjusted to this new knowledge, assigning less homework, no, they run the same schedule they did 100 years ago. https://news.berkeley.edu/2018/03/29/social-jetlag/ https://news.berkeley.edu/2018/03/29/social-jetlag/ Instead of socializing in a Lord of the Flies environment, they're mostly socialized by and with adults. They've also become authoritarian environments closer to prisons. https://reason.com/2020/09/07/zoom-nerf-gun-school-cops-kid-isaiah-elliott/ https://reason.com/2020/09/07/zoom-nerf-gun-school-cops-kid-... https://nypost.com/2018/01/30/teen-suspended-for-inciting-violence-with-anti-bullying-video/ https://nypost.com/2018/01/30/teen-suspended-for-inciting-vi... https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25919951&bcid=25919951&rssid=25919941&item=http%3a%2f%2fapi.edweek.org%2fv1%2few%2f%3fuuid%3d8805A088-82E5-11E9-B21E-B4F258D98AAA https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25919951&bcid=25919951&r...
- as_keyof_typeof 6y ago
  Wow, the nerf gun in a Zoom class. Public schooling a new low!

Ancapistani 6y ago

As I’m sure you can infer from my username, keeping our children out of state-run schools is a primary motivating factor for us.

war1025 6y ago
> As I’m sure you can infer from my username For the record, I've seen you reference your username before and I still don't entirely understand what the word means, though I did look it up at one point.
- anchpop 6y ago
  Anarcho-capitalism is a similar ideology to libertarianism, only more extreme. Proponents are called Anarcho-capitalists or "ancaps" for short. The idea seems to involve being able to start a private alternative to government (with your own private police force enforcing your own laws, etc.)
  - Ancapistani 6y ago
    Yep - close enough for an overview.
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      Why don’t you move to Mexico where the cartels have already installed an anarcho-capitalist state?
      - rhexs 6y ago
        Probably for a reason similar to that classic maxim “real communism has never been tried”.
        Ancapistani 6y ago
        Nah, not at all. The closest thing to an “Ancap society” that has been implemented was probably the Icelandic Commonwealth. It lasted for a bit over three centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth
      - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
        Because it sounds funny to own recreational nukes or hire the McPolice but in reality you wouldn't want any of it.
      - zo1 6y ago
        Why do you feel so strongly about it that you have to derail the discussion with a cheap/petty jab that adds very little to the conversation? At least in this thread it was mostly civil and borne out of curiosity on the topic. It's akin to me saying "Oh, such a lovely well-functioning government and society you have there that allows X-thousands of people to die of treatable medical issues every year and Y-thousands of people to be living on the streets homeless and without any assistance, and watches idly as millions die of malaria and hunger across the ocean".
        rorykoehler 6y ago
        You’re not wrong in your second paragraph. We should be doing a lot better than we are on so many fronts.

k__ 6y ago

My family fled from the DDR regime back in the days. I'm not saying public schools are the non plus ultra, I'm just saying that they are a good way to meet people from different backgrounds early on. Also, I didn't have the impression all of my teachers were very "pro government". They were a very diverse bunch politically speaking.

blumomo 6y ago
I also find schools a good place to meet different people. However ask your parents if your teachers (even if not pro-DDR) were able to speak freely? Would you like to have teachers who speak through a mental/political filter?
primrose 6y ago
"I'm just saying that they are a good way to meet people from different backgrounds early on." Or hate the people your government tells you to hate.

surge 6y ago

Yeah, people are quick to point out extreme cases, but ignore the kids who come out of schools with socialization issues. Bad parenting is bad parenting. There are also just as many if not more students who come out of public schools undereducated, and struggle in life. It's weird how even though test scores are better with home school students, and its even seen as superior by Ivy leagues because it often produces the kind of qualities they seek. https://www.businessinsider.com/homeschooling-is-the-new-path-to-harvard-2015-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/homeschooling-is-the-new-pat... https://ideapod.com/born-creative-geniuses-education-system-dumbs-us-according-nasa-scientists/ https://ideapod.com/born-creative-geniuses-education-system-... In a home school, you can dress as Batman if you want. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/new-research-finds-that-kids-aged-4-6-perform-better-during-boring-tasks-when-dressed-as-batman https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/new-research-finds-th... People post here all the time interesting new studies about child brain development, they put kids all in the same grade but studies show the brain develops vastly in 3-6 months at a young age and surprise, the kids that are born at the right time so they're the oldest in their class perform better on average. There are studies about the need for more sleep in adolescents, etc. Has schools adjusted to this new knowledge, assigning less homework, no, they run the same schedule they did 100 years ago. https://news.berkeley.edu/2018/03/29/social-jetlag/ https://news.berkeley.edu/2018/03/29/social-jetlag/ Instead of socializing in a Lord of the Flies environment, they're mostly socialized by and with adults. They've also become authoritarian environments closer to prisons. https://reason.com/2020/09/07/zoom-nerf-gun-school-cops-kid-isaiah-elliott/ https://reason.com/2020/09/07/zoom-nerf-gun-school-cops-kid-... https://nypost.com/2018/01/30/teen-suspended-for-inciting-violence-with-anti-bullying-video/ https://nypost.com/2018/01/30/teen-suspended-for-inciting-vi... https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25919951&bcid=25919951&rssid=25919941&item=http%3a%2f%2fapi.edweek.org%2fv1%2few%2f%3fuuid%3d8805A088-82E5-11E9-B21E-B4F258D98AAA https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25919951&bcid=25919951&r...

as_keyof_typeof 6y ago
Wow, the nerf gun in a Zoom class. Public schooling a new low!