9 ms·

While we're focused on the purely "Political" agenda in this conversation, politics of a company include anything from how on-calls work to how sick days are co

• chii 6y ago
  > politics of a company that's not a political stance - that's negotiating your working conditions. It's private and individual, and only affect you (and your colleagues). It doesn't affect society at large whether you have on-call or how sick days are counted _at_ your place of employement. But to use your position as an employee to push for universal sick leave, or for BLM, which affects society at large, not just yourself, is a political stance.
  • 0xCMP 6y ago
    You take for granted current working conditions which were won via hard-fought political battles and which affect us to this day. Also what about Maternity leave? Paternity leave? Are those not political? How is negotiating working conditions not related to "how we engage and collaborate with each other as a society"? It's inherently (little p) political even if the engagement is at a company similar to how politics on your local HOA is still politics. edit: typo
    • CyberRabbi 6y ago
      I think you’re conflating issues relevant to the business of the company, which might be considered political, and political issues which are irrelevant to the business of the company. The former is okay, the latter is not. The subject of OP is the latter.
      • sagichmal 6y ago
        Broadly, it's incorrect to claim the issues at hand here are irrelevant to the business of the (or any) company.
        • CyberRabbi 6y ago
          What issue are you claiming is relevant to the business of every company?
          • sagichmal 6y ago
            In this case: basic and functional equality of the members of a society. Like pornography, this is hard to define precisely, but I know when the violations are egregious enough, and the functional equality of black Americans through in the eyes of the police right now is certainly egregious enough.
            • CyberRabbi 6y ago
              Police brutality of black Americans is simply and factually not relevant to the business of every company.
              • sagichmal 6y ago
                Insofar as it represents a fundamental and existential inequality in society, it certainly is.
                • CyberRabbi 6y ago
                  Really not. Many businesses are not impacted by inequalities in society.
  • justinclift 6y ago
    > ... that's negotiating your working conditions. It's private and individual, and only affect you (and your colleagues). No. That's an "it depends" thing. If the "political issue" in question is something team or working condition related then it's not necessarily private and individual affecting only you. Some people will care about that and want to potentially co-ordinate. Other people won't consider it important, and/or have other priorities.
  • _jal 6y ago
    > It's private and individual, and only affect you You must be aware of the existence of unions. You're mentioning US-political concerns, so you're almost certainly familiar with the notion that the mere existence of unions is highly political. Whether or not you are a union member, union activities effect US workplaces. Ignoring their existence in this discussion is itself a political position.
  • ryanobjc 6y ago
    It’s very brave if you, in the middle of a pandemic, to say that “sick days are private and have no impact on society at large.” You must have missed March and April when sick days at “essential work” (such as grocery stores, restaurants, coffee shops, and more) was in fact a matter of national conversation: sick people going to work spread disease. The number of sick days was also of debate: most low wage jobs don’t offer more than 1 sick day a month or two. Not so good when someone needs two weeks off. This kind of short sightedness and inherent support of the status quo as “it’s fine, I see no problem here” is exactly what the other commenter(s) are talking about.
• CyberRabbi 6y ago
  The decision of how many sick days, etc. is relevant to the business of the company. Social justice movements like “black lives matter” are not relevant to the mission of companies like Coinbase, as determined by their leadership.
  • sagichmal 6y ago
    > Social justice movements like “black lives matter” are not relevant to the mission of companies like Coinbase That's the whole issue, and you're just affirming the consequent by saying this. Structural equality is unavoidably the concern of every person and group in a society.
    • CyberRabbi 6y ago
      > Structural equality is unavoidably the concern of every person and group in a society. Inspiring but simply false
      • ryanobjc 6y ago
        Ah yes good point - it’s of concern to every FAIR MINDED member of the group. Lest we forget, there are many people who support the structural inequality.
        • CyberRabbi 6y ago
          > it’s of concern to every FAIR MINDED member of the group. Also false. Many fair minded people simply don’t have time to concern themselves with politics. Not to mention that in many cases political actors who justify their actions on the premise of “structural inequality” end up reducing fairness.
          • sagichmal 6y ago
            Not having the time to concern yourself with politics isn't a position of neutrality or agnosticism. You can only adopt that position if the status quo of a society provides you sufficient protection, stability, prosperity, etc. to allow you to tune it out. If those conditions aren't true, it's not possible to "not concern yourself with politics" in a Maslow's hierarchy sense. And so doing so is unavoidably a tacit defense of the status quo.
• GoblinSlayer 6y ago
  Personal monetary relationship between employee and employer is business, not politics.