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Reading the handwringing over health in the comments it's pretty obvious some people have absolutely no idea what they're actually eating when they consume meat

by smeeth 6y ago

Reading the handwringing over health in the comments it's pretty obvious some people have absolutely no idea what they're actually eating when they consume meat products. Oh no! Processed seed oils! Give me a fucking break, we pump cows so full of hormones 8 year old girls are getting their periods [0]. Let's have some moral and factual clarity around the issue here, Vegetarians and Vegans are about the last people to argue processed foods are good, but we should keep our eyes on the prize: modern meat farming is awful for everyone involved. If you don't like it then don't eat it. [0] https://www.centerforhealthjournalism.org/2016/06/22/precocious-puberty-girls-increasing-and-alarming#:~:text=Meat%2C%20Especially%20Hormone%2DRaised%20Meat,an%20early%20start%20of%20menstruation https://www.centerforhealthjournalism.org/2016/06/22/precoci....

YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
>> Give me a fucking break, we pump cows so full of hormones 8 year old girls are getting their periods [0]. Who is "we"? The EU has banned the use of hormones in farm animals for growth promotion since 1981 and for most other uses in subsequent years: In 1981, with Directive 81/602/EEC, the EU prohibited the use of substances having a hormonal action for growth promotion in farm animals. Examples for these kind of growth promoters are oestradiol 17ß, testosterone, progesterone, zeranol, trenbolone acetate and melengestrol acetate (MGA). https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/chemical_safety/meat_hormones_en https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/chemical_safety/meat_hormon... Note also (same link): The United States and Canada contested the prohibition of the use of hormones as growth promoters in food producing animals, and in 1997 a panel of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) ruled that the EU measure was not in line with the Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures (SPS). Eventually the EU was forced to accept importation of meat from animals treated with hormones. In any case, there's no "we". Some countries do what you say, but not all.
- smeeth 6y ago
  I seem to be guilty of America-centrism again, my apologies. I should clarify that my point has less to do with hormones specifically and more about how this comment section is applying a double standard of healthiness to meat alternatives generally. When it comes to industrial meat production if it ain’t one thing it’s another: feed quality/chemicals, handling/sale of diseased meat, animal waste on food, antibiotic use, etc. It is also worth noting that as we speak the UK seems to be reconsidering it’s ban of hormones in meat as part of Brexit with pressure from the US.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
    Yes, I can see the double standards, too. There's no need to apologise though, I am not trying to make you feel guilty. Industrial meat production is shameful, cruel, harmful to health and the environment and it should absolutely be replaced with something else- but that something else can't be another food industry stuffing us full of over-processed, well, shit (apologies - but this is really the best way to say what I mean). >> It is also worth noting that as we speak the UK seems to be reconsidering it’s ban of hormones in meat as part of Brexit with pressure from the US. Unfortunately, yes.
ajharrison 6y ago
Excellent point. Most people who argue against overly processed plant-based alternatives speak as if the meat versions are all organic, cruelty free (lol), etc. Most of the dairy and meats you eat are so full of hormones and other nasty bits that it makes beyond meat look like a piece of kale.
shirakawasuna 6y ago
Indeed! The only thing to pay attention to, really, is B12. We all need it and even meat eaters should probably take a supplement.
- randomsearch 6y ago
  Very true. Veggie and had low B12 once, but then so did my Dad (a meatatarian) to the point he had shots. U.K. people should also take Vit D btw.
user5994461 6y ago
You realize the crux of the article is that puberty can happen earlier or later depending on whether you have enough calory intake, aka food on the table. To quote the article, girls did not menstruate until 17-18 three centuries ago... because they were starving.

by smeeth 6y ago

YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago

>> Give me a fucking break, we pump cows so full of hormones 8 year old girls are getting their periods [0]. Who is "we"? The EU has banned the use of hormones in farm animals for growth promotion since 1981 and for most other uses in subsequent years: In 1981, with Directive 81/602/EEC, the EU prohibited the use of substances having a hormonal action for growth promotion in farm animals. Examples for these kind of growth promoters are oestradiol 17ß, testosterone, progesterone, zeranol, trenbolone acetate and melengestrol acetate (MGA). https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/chemical_safety/meat_hormones_en https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/chemical_safety/meat_hormon... Note also (same link): The United States and Canada contested the prohibition of the use of hormones as growth promoters in food producing animals, and in 1997 a panel of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) ruled that the EU measure was not in line with the Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures (SPS). Eventually the EU was forced to accept importation of meat from animals treated with hormones. In any case, there's no "we". Some countries do what you say, but not all.

smeeth 6y ago
I seem to be guilty of America-centrism again, my apologies. I should clarify that my point has less to do with hormones specifically and more about how this comment section is applying a double standard of healthiness to meat alternatives generally. When it comes to industrial meat production if it ain’t one thing it’s another: feed quality/chemicals, handling/sale of diseased meat, animal waste on food, antibiotic use, etc. It is also worth noting that as we speak the UK seems to be reconsidering it’s ban of hormones in meat as part of Brexit with pressure from the US.
- YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
  Yes, I can see the double standards, too. There's no need to apologise though, I am not trying to make you feel guilty. Industrial meat production is shameful, cruel, harmful to health and the environment and it should absolutely be replaced with something else- but that something else can't be another food industry stuffing us full of over-processed, well, shit (apologies - but this is really the best way to say what I mean). >> It is also worth noting that as we speak the UK seems to be reconsidering it’s ban of hormones in meat as part of Brexit with pressure from the US. Unfortunately, yes.

ajharrison 6y ago

Excellent point. Most people who argue against overly processed plant-based alternatives speak as if the meat versions are all organic, cruelty free (lol), etc. Most of the dairy and meats you eat are so full of hormones and other nasty bits that it makes beyond meat look like a piece of kale.

shirakawasuna 6y ago

Indeed! The only thing to pay attention to, really, is B12. We all need it and even meat eaters should probably take a supplement.

randomsearch 6y ago
Very true. Veggie and had low B12 once, but then so did my Dad (a meatatarian) to the point he had shots. U.K. people should also take Vit D btw.

user5994461 6y ago

You realize the crux of the article is that puberty can happen earlier or later depending on whether you have enough calory intake, aka food on the table. To quote the article, girls did not menstruate until 17-18 three centuries ago... because they were starving.