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I'm still not sure about the design with a big and small button. Honest confusion: Does the big button correspond to a big amount of water? Or is it for a lit
by kzrdude 6y ago
I'm still not sure about the design with a big and small button.
Honest confusion:
Does the big button correspond to a big amount of water? Or is it for a little water, with a big button because this is the most commonly used button?
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- pxeboot 6y agoEven worse, different brands can be the opposite of what you are use to. I had one where the big button was for more water. Now I have one that the little button is for less frequent use.
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- ianbicking 6y agoIt's probably installed wrong. On my toilet the mechanism is the same for both, so if you happen to flip the button or the mechanism then they will work the opposite of how they are intended.
- GrayShade 6y agoThe smaller button is for a smaller amount of water, the larger button empties the whole tank. It's pretty simple to get used to them, once you use one.
- mrweasel 6y agoThat is not always the case. Some toilet have the big button for the smaller flush, I would assume because that’s the one you need most frequently or to assume if you just press blindly you’d use the least amount of water.
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- arethuza 6y agoI've literally wondered this for years. We have a least one leaking system like this in our house - and it's in a nice tiled wall so doing maintenance is like keyhole surgery. From what I've seen so far I'm pretty sure both buttons on our toilets do the same thing (mind you they are the same size).
- yetihehe 6y ago> and it's in a nice tiled wall so doing maintenance is like keyhole surgery. That is the main reason why I went with plain old toilet without embedding it in tiles. I've seen too many half-working embedded toilets at my friends' houses to have one too, I prefer to be able to easily repair it myself when required.
- mstade 6y agoI've got two toilets in my apartment that have the mechanics hidden in a sort of half wall, that is maybe a meter or so high. It has a stone "lid" you can lift and reach all the piping and mechanics and what not from the top. This seems like a pretty decent compromise to me, and also the lid is really useful as a shelf for toiletries and what not.
- clairity 6y ago> "...I'm pretty sure both buttons on our toilets do the same thing..." from what i've seen, that's by design. you push both buttons at the same time to get the double flush. to me, the water-saving option that makes the most sense is a vacuum toilet along with a greywater system and a biotank for recycling the waste locally (though it is more expensive of course).
- aaron695 6y agoNo, piped sewerage systems are safer and better for the environment How much fuel alone is used checking the biotank? They have to be checked quarterly once you get the bureaucrats involved. Expense is a good approximation for resources. The point of the post is also simplicity over moving parts.
- UglyToad 6y agoI'm glad I'm not the only one with this confusion, my friends mock me relentlessly based on past discussions we've had. Since on some designs the smaller button cannot be pressed separately and therefore corresponds to a big flush, since both parts of the button are depressed at once; it stands to reason small will always be bigger flush, which I rationalise as urination being the more common operation and therefore deserving the larger button in order for the user to press more easily. However it's actually the case that big is usually the larger flush, which suggests there's some magic button size ratio at which their meaning crosses over. I think this goes to show how difficult UX is.
- zbrozek 6y agoI refuse to own toilets with this misfeature for a number of reasons: - Complexity is bad, especially in plumbing. I also refuse electronics between me and waste removal. - It's confusing. - I don't think the difference in water usage matters _at all_. Talk to me about irrigation (both urban and agricultural) instead. When going out and using such horrible devices I'm quite certain I pick wrong more than half the time.
- KineticLensman 6y ago> I don't think the difference in water usage matters _at all_. Talk to me about irrigation (both urban and agricultural) instead Yes. And the insane amounts of water leaked from our ancient pipes
- spfzero 6y agoIn California, 89% of the state's water usage is agricultural; only 11% is consumers. Thus, of course you would force consumers to use only low-flow shower heads, and... problem solved.
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoLow flow ends on things like hand washing sinks are almost a free win. The aerated water washes your hands just as well. Even if its not the biggest improvement, a free improvement is still welcome.
- bserge 6y agoThere's no standard afaik, every manufacturer is free to implement it as they see fit. I guess you could read the manual, print out the method of operation and put it on the wall/door/wherever.
- jessriedel 6y agoAre both conventions actually being used? Could anyone link to an example of a small button being used for more water?
- zbrozek 6y agoOnly anecdotally. I've definitely run in to that in the wild.
- agumonkey 6y agobest design would be the 1 drop vs 3 drops
- CamperBob2 6y agoMine is literally marked "1" and "2." (In Roman numerals, however.)
- gnicholas 6y agoWe moved into a home that had dual-flush toilets with different sized buttons. I assumed that the big button was for more water, but in reality it didn't make a difference. We were told these were high-end toilets, and they looked fancy, but the dual-flush thing seems to be more for show than anything else.
- war1025 6y agoI've seen some where there were two buttons, but it was a circle where one was a crescent moon shape and the smaller button was just the remainder. I assumed that you were supposed to push both buttons down if you wanted more water. I don't really understand them though, so who knows.
- gnicholas 6y agoHuh, that could have been it! But each button depressed a different lever, so I assumed it was an either/or. We don't live there anymore, otherwise I would go try this right now!
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y agoDepends on the manufacturer.
- shard 6y agoI managed to tune my regular drop valve system so that a short press gives a small flush and a long press gives a full flush. It was a delicate matter of balancing the chain length so that the flapper doesn't get pulled high enough to stay open when you give a short press, but will stay open when pressed insistently. Very convenient, except for having to explain to guests.
- war1025 6y agoDoes anyone else feel like the press button design on these modern dual flush toilets has to be wildly unsanitary? Your hands are at their dirtiest when you go to flush the toilet. The button design seems very difficult to clean, particularly the wall of the button hole. In most public restrooms, I kick the lever with my foot to flush the toilet. Not possible with the recessed button design.