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Yeah; what the hell happened? Not just programming, but other technical things too. It's like everybody is gaming search so hard that search is going back to

by dhimes 6y ago

Yeah; what the hell happened? Not just programming, but other technical things too. It's like everybody is gaming search so hard that search is going back to the days of AltaVista and Lycos.

marcosdumay 6y ago
Links stopped mattering after Google killed blogs. Now there is no mass of people verifying the quality of random sites, and search engines lost they anchor.
- squiggleblaz 6y ago
  Don't sites like reddit, stackoverflow and twitter have an equivalent effect? (And I recall Google coming about before blogs. How did Google kill them?)
  - marcosdumay 6y ago
    Google was founded on the answer on how do you deduce the value of a site based on an ecosystem of personal pages around it. (Blogs are simply what replaced personal pages later.) Have you ever seen any study like that for reddit and twitter? Those have completely different characteristics. (SO looks similar enough, but it's not comprehensive.) On how did Google kill blogs, looks like you haven't noticed they decided to concentrate their search results on a small number of sites a few years ago.Google just does not lead people to them anymore.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  The now-defunct Advogato approached the question of reputation by having explicit reputation sources, with its founder the ultimate source. Raph now works for Google AFAIA.
  - marcosdumay 6y ago
    Reputation is a lousy replacement for page popularity. When Google started to apply their metrics over an entire domain, they already lost a lot of niche information. Yes, it's better than nothing, but don't expect it to keep the same quality of results we got earlier. Google killed the golden goose when they decided do concentrate their results on the large sites only, and it will be very hard to make similar algorithms work that well again.
    - dredmorbius 6y ago
      Pagerank is explicitly a reputation measure. It's proved somewhat manipulable and unreliable. Levien's reputation graph needn't be slavishly followed, though it does suggest an alternative.
squiggleblaz 6y ago
I am in this box too. When I first started using ddg, I added !g to programming queries because it was better. Nowadays, I try ddg first and I'm disappointed, so I append !g and I still get sfa. It would be nice if some decent entrepreneurial academics could create a web browser that was better than the SEOers and would aim to do no evil. Sigh. One can dream.

by dhimes 6y ago

Yeah; what the hell happened? Not just programming, but other technical things too. It's like everybody is gaming search so hard that search is going back to the days of AltaVista and Lycos.

marcosdumay 6y ago

Links stopped mattering after Google killed blogs. Now there is no mass of people verifying the quality of random sites, and search engines lost they anchor.

squiggleblaz 6y ago
Don't sites like reddit, stackoverflow and twitter have an equivalent effect? (And I recall Google coming about before blogs. How did Google kill them?)
- marcosdumay 6y ago
  Google was founded on the answer on how do you deduce the value of a site based on an ecosystem of personal pages around it. (Blogs are simply what replaced personal pages later.) Have you ever seen any study like that for reddit and twitter? Those have completely different characteristics. (SO looks similar enough, but it's not comprehensive.) On how did Google kill blogs, looks like you haven't noticed they decided to concentrate their search results on a small number of sites a few years ago.Google just does not lead people to them anymore.
dredmorbius 6y ago
The now-defunct Advogato approached the question of reputation by having explicit reputation sources, with its founder the ultimate source. Raph now works for Google AFAIA.
- marcosdumay 6y ago
  Reputation is a lousy replacement for page popularity. When Google started to apply their metrics over an entire domain, they already lost a lot of niche information. Yes, it's better than nothing, but don't expect it to keep the same quality of results we got earlier. Google killed the golden goose when they decided do concentrate their results on the large sites only, and it will be very hard to make similar algorithms work that well again.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    Pagerank is explicitly a reputation measure. It's proved somewhat manipulable and unreliable. Levien's reputation graph needn't be slavishly followed, though it does suggest an alternative.

squiggleblaz 6y ago

I am in this box too. When I first started using ddg, I added !g to programming queries because it was better. Nowadays, I try ddg first and I'm disappointed, so I append !g and I still get sfa. It would be nice if some decent entrepreneurial academics could create a web browser that was better than the SEOers and would aim to do no evil. Sigh. One can dream.