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Do they wait with showing ads, say a month or so, until after the common return policy for most stores have expired? That would be a really evil thing to do, ju

Do they wait with showing ads, say a month or so, until after the common return policy for most stores have expired? That would be a really evil thing to do, just struck my mind. Also, sounds like a case of optimization creep - "I know a way to get even more revenue, we just sign up with this $more_shady_ad_network!". Displaying more and more creepy ads, no-one decreasing ads since they don't want to be the one decreasing ad revenue.

mnw21cam 6y ago
> Do they wait with showing ads, say a month or so, until after the common return policy for most stores have expired? What? A month? Sale of goods act.
- retSava 6y ago
  Sorry, don't where you're at. Over here, it's commonly a month return policy of most stores (no law setting this, it's a voluntary thing). Then there's quite generous warranty for 2 years, up to 3 years, but that's when things break. In addition, I think this also includes if a sold item is unfit for advertised use, or perhaps even if substantially changed during ownership (eg Samsung mandatorily introducing ads), but I've never had to use that so don't know).
  - oarsinsync 6y ago
    > Then there's quite generous warranty for 2 years, up to 3 years, but that's when things break. I disagree with describing this as 'generous'. A TV manufacturer should guarantee that the TV will not develop a manufacturing defect for a minimum of 3 years, if not longer. I have CRTs that lasted decades (plural) without issue, while I've had multiple LCDs fail in under a decade. There's nothing generous going on here, they're systematically making inferior products in order to drive an increase in sales.
adamparsons 6y ago
They retrospectively updated panels going back to 2016 to "improve" the experience. Truly evil shit.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  Do they have the right to do that? Do customers in any country have a right to demand a product's firmware be restored to factory-state (on the grounds that what they received isn't what they were sold)?
  - can16358p 6y ago
    Even though if customers do have that right, I'd like to see how many % of the regular users actually demand it.
    - DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
      You have no idea how much I want Apple to be forced to allow me to restore my iPhone to its original firmware!
      - can16358p 6y ago
        Sure, but we're on HN. The discussion here definitely doesn't reflect the general audience where 99% of the people aren't tech savvy and don't even know what a firmware is.
  - ObsoleteNerd 6y ago
    I’ve used Australian consumer affairs laws to return products well outside the return date when they’ve been updated to remove/modify features I specifically wanted. I returned a Bose speaker when it stopped letting you cast to it without their app, and have returned my Ring external camera when they removed customisable motion zones (I need to block a specific tree that moves in the wind). Plus more. I’ve never had a problem doing so, I’m always polite and just explain that it’s no longer as advertised and print out the product update notes showing that they removed/changed x or y feature.

mnw21cam 6y ago

> Do they wait with showing ads, say a month or so, until after the common return policy for most stores have expired? What? A month? Sale of goods act.

retSava 6y ago
Sorry, don't where you're at. Over here, it's commonly a month return policy of most stores (no law setting this, it's a voluntary thing). Then there's quite generous warranty for 2 years, up to 3 years, but that's when things break. In addition, I think this also includes if a sold item is unfit for advertised use, or perhaps even if substantially changed during ownership (eg Samsung mandatorily introducing ads), but I've never had to use that so don't know).
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  > Then there's quite generous warranty for 2 years, up to 3 years, but that's when things break. I disagree with describing this as 'generous'. A TV manufacturer should guarantee that the TV will not develop a manufacturing defect for a minimum of 3 years, if not longer. I have CRTs that lasted decades (plural) without issue, while I've had multiple LCDs fail in under a decade. There's nothing generous going on here, they're systematically making inferior products in order to drive an increase in sales.

adamparsons 6y ago

They retrospectively updated panels going back to 2016 to "improve" the experience. Truly evil shit.

DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
Do they have the right to do that? Do customers in any country have a right to demand a product's firmware be restored to factory-state (on the grounds that what they received isn't what they were sold)?
- can16358p 6y ago
  Even though if customers do have that right, I'd like to see how many % of the regular users actually demand it.
  - DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
    You have no idea how much I want Apple to be forced to allow me to restore my iPhone to its original firmware!
    - can16358p 6y ago
      Sure, but we're on HN. The discussion here definitely doesn't reflect the general audience where 99% of the people aren't tech savvy and don't even know what a firmware is.
- ObsoleteNerd 6y ago
  I’ve used Australian consumer affairs laws to return products well outside the return date when they’ve been updated to remove/modify features I specifically wanted. I returned a Bose speaker when it stopped letting you cast to it without their app, and have returned my Ring external camera when they removed customisable motion zones (I need to block a specific tree that moves in the wind). Plus more. I’ve never had a problem doing so, I’m always polite and just explain that it’s no longer as advertised and print out the product update notes showing that they removed/changed x or y feature.