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This is the clearest and most detrimental aspect of shutting this down. So many blind and/or deaf YouTube visitors depend on user-generated captioning. One nit

This is the clearest and most detrimental aspect of shutting this down. So many blind and/or deaf YouTube visitors depend on user-generated captioning. One nitpick, I would disagree that accessibility features will always be low usage. Many accessibility features have become ubiquitous and essential features of many products. And many people preferred such captions who did not identify as needing accessibility features.

chaostheory 6y ago
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/curb-cuts/ https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/curb-cuts/
imglorp 6y ago
One of those non-accessibility options is learning a language. Turning on captions is so useful.
bonoboTP 6y ago
> identify as needing accessibility features Has this also become an identity thing now? Whether you need it or not is a matter of self-identification?
- danielheath 6y ago
  My hearing is fine; I prefer captions because I often have unavoidable background noise and can’t turn the volume up without disturbing others.
- blendergeek 6y ago
  > ... become and identity thing ... Slow. Down. Not everything is identity politics. I think GP is speaking of those who signal a _need_ for accessibility features. These people would 'identify as needing accessibility features'. Others do not _need_ such features and therefore do not signal such. These people may still appreciate them on occasion. I for one, definitely would not claim to need closed captions, yet, if subtitles are available I may well use them. I might use them if my speakers are broken or if my roommate is asleep and I left my headphones in my car.
  - curryst 6y ago
    The virtual keyboard is another one that is incredibly useful to everyone when that one key on your keyboard craps out and you have to hobble along until the new one comes in the mail.
- refurb 6y ago
  To me that was a typical usage of “identify”. It would be clearer if read as “self-identify” which is a succinct way of saying “people who would say that they need accessibility features”.
  - bonoboTP 6y ago
    Okay. I think it would not be productive to elaborate on this further, so I'll just apologize for the nitpick. This isn't the place to discuss this.
- csa 6y ago
  > And many people preferred such captions who did not identify as needing accessibility features Good job on the selective quoting. /s As a simple example, non-native speakers of a language may not identify as needing “accessibility features”, but captions certainly can help some of these folks. That’s just one simple example. There are others. For me personally, as a native speaker of English with good hearing, I often turn on captions for people who speak with heavy accents and videos with ambient noise that muddles the speaker’s audio.

chaostheory 6y ago

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/curb-cuts/ https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/curb-cuts/

imglorp 6y ago

One of those non-accessibility options is learning a language. Turning on captions is so useful.

bonoboTP 6y ago

> identify as needing accessibility features Has this also become an identity thing now? Whether you need it or not is a matter of self-identification?

danielheath 6y ago
My hearing is fine; I prefer captions because I often have unavoidable background noise and can’t turn the volume up without disturbing others.
blendergeek 6y ago
> ... become and identity thing ... Slow. Down. Not everything is identity politics. I think GP is speaking of those who signal a _need_ for accessibility features. These people would 'identify as needing accessibility features'. Others do not _need_ such features and therefore do not signal such. These people may still appreciate them on occasion. I for one, definitely would not claim to need closed captions, yet, if subtitles are available I may well use them. I might use them if my speakers are broken or if my roommate is asleep and I left my headphones in my car.
- curryst 6y ago
  The virtual keyboard is another one that is incredibly useful to everyone when that one key on your keyboard craps out and you have to hobble along until the new one comes in the mail.
refurb 6y ago
To me that was a typical usage of “identify”. It would be clearer if read as “self-identify” which is a succinct way of saying “people who would say that they need accessibility features”.
- bonoboTP 6y ago
  Okay. I think it would not be productive to elaborate on this further, so I'll just apologize for the nitpick. This isn't the place to discuss this.
csa 6y ago
> And many people preferred such captions who did not identify as needing accessibility features Good job on the selective quoting. /s As a simple example, non-native speakers of a language may not identify as needing “accessibility features”, but captions certainly can help some of these folks. That’s just one simple example. There are others. For me personally, as a native speaker of English with good hearing, I often turn on captions for people who speak with heavy accents and videos with ambient noise that muddles the speaker’s audio.