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But these are the people we need to entice to leave their jobs! The best potential hires always have jobs; they rarely go to the open market. They rarely respon

by winphone1974 6y ago

But these are the people we need to entice to leave their jobs! The best potential hires always have jobs; they rarely go to the open market. They rarely respond to open casting calls and don't need to go through the broken song and dance routine. We know this as the most reliable metric is prior work directly with someone who you trust who vouches for them. Everything else like whiteboarding data algos is weak sauce.

CydeWeys 6y ago
We're talking about what this person should do though. They can't change the broken system but they can best work it to their advantage with some effort.
oblio 6y ago
Big companies don't care. Enough people still through themselves in the grinder, regardless. They have infinite talent lining up.
MR4D 6y ago
Maybe the best employees are the people that can best overcome broken processes? And yes, I meant that seriously. Every fortune 500 company is held together at some level with bandaids and bailing wire. Being able to deal with things like that might be important. In my firm, I know we place a much higher emphasis on being able to just roll with it than technical perfection. But my firm is but a drop in the ocean compared to everyone else.
- oscargrouch 6y ago
  One problem with this approach is that with time people tend to optimize to gaming the game. With enough time you are just hiring people that are good in the game and not the best fit for the position. Companies also need a lot of people that are creative and "think outside the box". With this you are optimizing for conformists and people that "think inside the box", and that optimize to fit the game. No wonder the big companies have a hard time to create things.. Western society need badly to know how to deal well with impermanence, and this are such a case were there's not much prediction that can be done.. its just like dancing expecting the rain will come.. sometimes it will, and we will gladly think it was because we danced. The best tip for hiring is someone that you know that knows a little bit to point a couple of good people for you. Because those things are pretty hard to know, and there are very little we can do, without the experience to show for some specific characteristics we need.
bradlys 6y ago
> they rarely go to the open market. They rarely respond to open casting calls and don't need to go through the broken song and dance routine. I don’t know why people think this. Is there some data to back this up...? I’ve seen great engineers go onto the open market and have to go through the hoops... Meanwhile I’ve seen plenty of terrible ones have no issues getting through side doors.

CydeWeys 6y ago

We're talking about what this person should do though. They can't change the broken system but they can best work it to their advantage with some effort.

oblio 6y ago

Big companies don't care. Enough people still through themselves in the grinder, regardless. They have infinite talent lining up.

MR4D 6y ago

Maybe the best employees are the people that can best overcome broken processes? And yes, I meant that seriously. Every fortune 500 company is held together at some level with bandaids and bailing wire. Being able to deal with things like that might be important. In my firm, I know we place a much higher emphasis on being able to just roll with it than technical perfection. But my firm is but a drop in the ocean compared to everyone else.

oscargrouch 6y ago
One problem with this approach is that with time people tend to optimize to gaming the game. With enough time you are just hiring people that are good in the game and not the best fit for the position. Companies also need a lot of people that are creative and "think outside the box". With this you are optimizing for conformists and people that "think inside the box", and that optimize to fit the game. No wonder the big companies have a hard time to create things.. Western society need badly to know how to deal well with impermanence, and this are such a case were there's not much prediction that can be done.. its just like dancing expecting the rain will come.. sometimes it will, and we will gladly think it was because we danced. The best tip for hiring is someone that you know that knows a little bit to point a couple of good people for you. Because those things are pretty hard to know, and there are very little we can do, without the experience to show for some specific characteristics we need.

bradlys 6y ago

> they rarely go to the open market. They rarely respond to open casting calls and don't need to go through the broken song and dance routine. I don’t know why people think this. Is there some data to back this up...? I’ve seen great engineers go onto the open market and have to go through the hoops... Meanwhile I’ve seen plenty of terrible ones have no issues getting through side doors.