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it's not over yet. too early to say we have avoided the deaths.

collyw 6y ago
Fair point, but looking at the curves, deaths rates the virus seems to have run its course in many countries. Sweden didn't bother with lock down and the virus appears to have run it's course there. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
- just-juan-post 6y ago
  No, it's not a fair point. It's the same crap they have been spewing for months in order to justify the lockdowns and lifestyle restrictions. We just don't know = lock down the world for months or years with no tradeoffs, no discussion of how to end them, and no questioning the lockdowns because > 1 people will or have died. This "we just don't know so we're going to restrict the entire world and pretend individuals can't choose for themselves" argument is the reason that lifestyles have been restricted. I'm not anti-mask I'm pro-choice. Let individuals choose, not government.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    The trouble with that argument is that it leads to people who choose not to care, infecting those that do, which can lead to deaths, which many people dislike. Historically, pandemics are one of the few acceptable reasons for such restrictions in the US, and it's very odd to me that it's been so controversial in that country.
    - collyw 6y ago
      The same as every flu season that we have had for years.
      - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        If the flu had no pre-existing immunity and 8x the mortality rate along with unknown side effects lasting months/years, then yes, exactly like the flu.
        collyw 6y ago
        How can you say that coronavirus has unkown side effects lasting years when the virus has been around for less than a year? You are obviously being hyperbolic.
        officialjunk 6y ago
        key word "unknown." we do not yet know the long term consequences. there are people not feeling recovered after 6+ months. and children having heart inflammation problems after an a-symptomatic covid infection.
  - belltaco 6y ago
    How would that work? You go to a grocery store because you have to, and there's someone spewing out aerosols, potentially infected, while your mask protects them? Are you all for freeloading like say, making taxes optional? What happens if people infect their elders? Who pays for the hospital costs if not the public? What if ICU capacity is taken up by anti-maskers and people who were taking precautions got unlucky and then have to die?

Fair point, but looking at the curves, deaths rates the virus seems to have run its course in many countries. Sweden didn't bother with lock down and the virus appears to have run it's course there. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

just-juan-post 6y ago
No, it's not a fair point. It's the same crap they have been spewing for months in order to justify the lockdowns and lifestyle restrictions. We just don't know = lock down the world for months or years with no tradeoffs, no discussion of how to end them, and no questioning the lockdowns because > 1 people will or have died. This "we just don't know so we're going to restrict the entire world and pretend individuals can't choose for themselves" argument is the reason that lifestyles have been restricted. I'm not anti-mask I'm pro-choice. Let individuals choose, not government.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  The trouble with that argument is that it leads to people who choose not to care, infecting those that do, which can lead to deaths, which many people dislike. Historically, pandemics are one of the few acceptable reasons for such restrictions in the US, and it's very odd to me that it's been so controversial in that country.
  - collyw 6y ago
    The same as every flu season that we have had for years.
    - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
      If the flu had no pre-existing immunity and 8x the mortality rate along with unknown side effects lasting months/years, then yes, exactly like the flu.
      - collyw 6y ago
        How can you say that coronavirus has unkown side effects lasting years when the virus has been around for less than a year? You are obviously being hyperbolic.
        officialjunk 6y ago
        key word "unknown." we do not yet know the long term consequences. there are people not feeling recovered after 6+ months. and children having heart inflammation problems after an a-symptomatic covid infection.
- belltaco 6y ago
  How would that work? You go to a grocery store because you have to, and there's someone spewing out aerosols, potentially infected, while your mask protects them? Are you all for freeloading like say, making taxes optional? What happens if people infect their elders? Who pays for the hospital costs if not the public? What if ICU capacity is taken up by anti-maskers and people who were taking precautions got unlucky and then have to die?