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Actually, it is not. I am not R or D, I am Russian programmer who lives in Russia and likes to read. One of things I've read already long ago is about primin

by thesz 6y ago

Actually, it is not. I am not R or D, I am Russian programmer who lives in Russia and likes to read. One of things I've read already long ago is about priming: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5266685/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5266685/ Showing one different pictures change walking speed, at the very least. And effects can last as long as year: http://www.bm.ust.hk/mark/files/staff/Bob/mkwyer-JCP-2014-24-96.pdf http://www.bm.ust.hk/mark/files/staff/Bob/mkwyer-JCP-2014-24... TikTok, being a massive analytical (see other discussions at HN) and priming platform, allows for quite interesting effects on the humans to be discovered and/or tested. Facebook is primarily text which is low bandwidth and it goes through higher thinking. TikTok is high bandwidth from the start and is primarily analyzed using much older parts of brain. I do not like Facebook (don't have account) and I vehemently hate TikTok.

kawsper 6y ago
> Facebook is primarily text which is low bandwidth and it goes through higher thinking. Today Facebook is mostly images, livestreams and videos.
- thesz 6y ago
  My wife uses Facebook and I beg to disagree with you.
  - CraigJPerry 6y ago
    Does your wife heavily use tiktok? It's possible that different cohorts of Facebook users experience the product in different ways. I can imagine that those drawn to Tiktok also make use of insta stories or fb stories (short videos) etc.
  - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
    I use Facebook: my experience is it's probably 50-50. Which means far more content (by duration or bandwidth) is images/video. I rarely look at the videos. As an erstwhile small business owner it became very clear that business page posts with images always get more views so all informational posts always have images if you want to improve your engagement scores. Most friend posts that are popular enough to spread to me include a gallery or shared video. People make text comments on news stories and link a news website, which then pulls in an image/video. So often the headlines/images are misleading - as one finds on HN too. I used TikTok for 6 months or so, even posted a video. To me the only content was ever goofy dances, magic tricks, acrobatics and 'pranks'. No more harmful than any other human-targeting Skinner Box.
- xenihn 6y ago
  Your feed is customized to your interests. Some people get lots of words, others just get images, livestreams, and videos.
djaque 6y ago
Priming is one of the least reproducible effects out there and lies literally at the core of the reproducibility crisis [1]. I'm going to call BS on claims of some sort of spooky weaponization of it. Edit: To add necessary context for those unaware, TikTok's audience in the US is politically liberal. The buy out of Trump rally tickets a few months ago was organized there [2]. It's true that we should be talking about the security implications of foreign control over our social media platforms. It's also true that we should be concerned about a targeted ban (instead of, say, a general crackdown on foreign social media) on what amounts to a meetinghouse for Trump's critics by the Trump administration itself. [1] https://replicationindex.com/2017/02/02/reconstruction-of-a-train-wreck-how-priming-research-went-of-the-rails/ https://replicationindex.com/2017/02/02/reconstruction-of-a-... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/07/tiktok-users-try-to-sabotage-trumps-rally-attendance-again/#291c36331048 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/07/tiktok-...
- thesz 6y ago
  To quote the link of yours: "Five years later, Kahneman’s concerns have been largely confirmed. Major studies in social priming research have failed to replicate and the replicability of results in social psychology is estimated to be only 25%" I cannot discern whether author says that social priming research has replicability of 25% or social psychology has replication success of 25% and priming research has even less. The scale at which TikTok operates is much larger than any studies that can be performed by a group of scientists. This is true for audience (or test subjects), amount of hardware used and for information gathered. The link you provided still allows for some replicable effects to be present. Effects that were hypothesized, planned for discovery and then tested and brought to the light of day. At the scale of TikTok, effects can be discovered without hypothesis first, just by using sheer analytical power available.
  - johnday 6y ago
    The quote you pulled spells it out: - Social priming does not replicate; - Social psychology has a replicability rate of 25%.
vin047 6y ago
> Facebook is primarily text which is low bandwidth and it goes through higher thinking. TikTok is high bandwidth from the start and is primarily analyzed using much older parts of brain. Agreed. Reading and writing are recent inventions and involve thought and deliberation. There's a reason why such skills were rare and highly valued in antiquity. It's reasonable to assume that a medium with an emphasis on text is less prone to (but not entirely exempt from) manipulation. On a somewhat unrelated note, people like Elon Musk believe that "information overload" can be solved by increasing the bandwidth between the medium and the brain. I wonder if that's true, or whether the lower bandwidth is necessary because our newer brain (prefrontal cortex) simply isn't fast enough.

by thesz 6y ago

kawsper 6y ago

> Facebook is primarily text which is low bandwidth and it goes through higher thinking. Today Facebook is mostly images, livestreams and videos.

thesz 6y ago
My wife uses Facebook and I beg to disagree with you.
- CraigJPerry 6y ago
  Does your wife heavily use tiktok? It's possible that different cohorts of Facebook users experience the product in different ways. I can imagine that those drawn to Tiktok also make use of insta stories or fb stories (short videos) etc.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  I use Facebook: my experience is it's probably 50-50. Which means far more content (by duration or bandwidth) is images/video. I rarely look at the videos. As an erstwhile small business owner it became very clear that business page posts with images always get more views so all informational posts always have images if you want to improve your engagement scores. Most friend posts that are popular enough to spread to me include a gallery or shared video. People make text comments on news stories and link a news website, which then pulls in an image/video. So often the headlines/images are misleading - as one finds on HN too. I used TikTok for 6 months or so, even posted a video. To me the only content was ever goofy dances, magic tricks, acrobatics and 'pranks'. No more harmful than any other human-targeting Skinner Box.
xenihn 6y ago
Your feed is customized to your interests. Some people get lots of words, others just get images, livestreams, and videos.

djaque 6y ago

Priming is one of the least reproducible effects out there and lies literally at the core of the reproducibility crisis [1]. I'm going to call BS on claims of some sort of spooky weaponization of it. Edit: To add necessary context for those unaware, TikTok's audience in the US is politically liberal. The buy out of Trump rally tickets a few months ago was organized there [2]. It's true that we should be talking about the security implications of foreign control over our social media platforms. It's also true that we should be concerned about a targeted ban (instead of, say, a general crackdown on foreign social media) on what amounts to a meetinghouse for Trump's critics by the Trump administration itself. [1] https://replicationindex.com/2017/02/02/reconstruction-of-a-train-wreck-how-priming-research-went-of-the-rails/ https://replicationindex.com/2017/02/02/reconstruction-of-a-... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/07/tiktok-users-try-to-sabotage-trumps-rally-attendance-again/#291c36331048 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/07/tiktok-...

thesz 6y ago
To quote the link of yours: "Five years later, Kahneman’s concerns have been largely confirmed. Major studies in social priming research have failed to replicate and the replicability of results in social psychology is estimated to be only 25%" I cannot discern whether author says that social priming research has replicability of 25% or social psychology has replication success of 25% and priming research has even less. The scale at which TikTok operates is much larger than any studies that can be performed by a group of scientists. This is true for audience (or test subjects), amount of hardware used and for information gathered. The link you provided still allows for some replicable effects to be present. Effects that were hypothesized, planned for discovery and then tested and brought to the light of day. At the scale of TikTok, effects can be discovered without hypothesis first, just by using sheer analytical power available.
- johnday 6y ago
  The quote you pulled spells it out: - Social priming does not replicate; - Social psychology has a replicability rate of 25%.

vin047 6y ago

> Facebook is primarily text which is low bandwidth and it goes through higher thinking. TikTok is high bandwidth from the start and is primarily analyzed using much older parts of brain. Agreed. Reading and writing are recent inventions and involve thought and deliberation. There's a reason why such skills were rare and highly valued in antiquity. It's reasonable to assume that a medium with an emphasis on text is less prone to (but not entirely exempt from) manipulation. On a somewhat unrelated note, people like Elon Musk believe that "information overload" can be solved by increasing the bandwidth between the medium and the brain. I wonder if that's true, or whether the lower bandwidth is necessary because our newer brain (prefrontal cortex) simply isn't fast enough.